The TF are to be thanked for their hard work and producing a fairly good 
report. The explanation of consensus is excellent and long overdue. Well done 
for that.

However I'm sorry to say the report misses a key point and also considers 
something that is out of scope and provides nothing to support that position.

It also uses horrible American spelling in places -- center instead of centre 
-- but that's nit-picking.

First, the biggie. The report talks about how RIPE is accountable and who it's 
accountable to, it does not explain what RIPE is accountable *for*. I wonder if 
these considerations also need to be broken down and documented for various 
components of RIPE -- Chair, WG Chairs, WG Chairs Collective, Working Groups, 
Task Forces(!?), etc. The tables starting on p10 don't do that IMO. They 
describe the functional roles of these entities, not what they are accountable 
for or to whom.

Next, I strongly object to the recommendation that the process for selecting WG 
chairs should be aligned. This is out of scope for the TF.

I fail to see how it fits with "potential gaps where RIPE accountability could 
be improved or strengthened", which is the closest vaguely suitable bullet 
point defining the TF's scope. Making that assumption still doesn't put the 
recommendation in scope because the reports says nothing about why or how 
aligning the selection process would improve or strengthen things. IMO, such a 
move would do the very opposite. Read on...

I would have expected the role of the TF here would have been to verify (or 
not) that WG chairs were selected by fair, open and transparent processes that 
had broad WG/community support. And if there were problems, to identify them. 
All of that is missing. There's just a recommendation that seems to have been 
teleported in from a parallel universe without any context or explanation for 
its inclusion.

In fact the report contradicts itself because it earlier states that aligning 
these procedures violates the principle of bottom-up decision-making. So why 
make that recommendation and where's the evidence to support it? Either RIPE 
has confidence in the bottom-up approach or we don't. If the bottom-up approach 
is unsatisfactory for deciding WG chair selection procedures (why?), what else 
at RIPE is it no good for?

WG's are self-organising and autonomous. They decide their own charters, who 
the (co)chairs are, what documents and policies get developed, time-lines, 
consensus decisions, etc, etc. A top-down directive -- from whom? -- saying WG 
chair appointment procedures must be aligned goes against all of that.

It will also undermine another key principle: diversity. [Admittedly that 
topic's out of scope for this Task Force.] The RIPE community should be 
perfectly comfortable that its WGs do things differently. That's a strength, 
not a weakness. Attempts to impose order on this "organised chaos" are the 
start of a slippery slope that leads to an institution that's in thrall to 
process. And look how those organisations turn out.

A common appointment process is incompatible with RIPE's core values of WG 
independence, autonomy and diversity. Now it might happen that WGs may one day 
eventually converge on a common selection procedure -- my bet is some time 
after the heat death of the universe -- but that has to be a choice for each WG 
to make for itself. Without outside interference. IMO the TF has no role or 
authority to get involved in this. It does/did have a role to determine if the 
WG Chairs were appointed in an open and transparent manner and that the 
appointees were somehow accountable.

Previous (top-down) attempts to have a common selection process have failed. 
IMO they always will. Getting WG consensus on any sort of selection process is 
already hard. I know. I've had to do it. Twice. I would prefer WGs spent their 
time and energies on productive work instead of bickering over process minutae 
that will just go on and on and on.

It would be much less contentious for the report to say something like "The TF 
thinks a common WG chair selection process might be nice, but accept that has 
to be a matter for each WG to decide on its own by itself." But even that's 
pushing it. The evidence so far in favour of a common procedure is at best 
thin. It's certainly not found in the TF report.

I also object to the use of the word "believe" in various places. That suggests 
a faith-based assessment rather than an evidence-based decision. Matters of 
belief have no place in RIPE documents. 


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