Hi Dan, Dan Creswell wrote:
I can imagine that a release with some bug fixes mightn't get too much contention but would take longer as we thrash around unit tests etc (which I think are essential).
Setting things up will take its time, such as getting the JIRA issues in, test environment, etc., etc. During that process it is my opinion other tasks can be done in parallel. Although my opinion is a minority in this case, which is fine, but still even Jim's proposal leaves some room for solving issues so I'm going to enter the twilight zone and want a bit more done than what people can download and is already available since October 2005. I think the process of picking issues, doing code review and working together is something we should 'train' even for the first release. It won't be hard to pick already a few simple issues for which there are currently no direct tests, or you won't/can't write unit tests and that are normally just done by code review. Such as there are: RIVER-5, RIVER-7, RIVER-8, RIVER-9, RIVER-18, RIVER-24, RIVER-25 (I expect some people to differ from opinion whether these are trivial but that is OK). There would have been more although they are related to files that contain larger fixes as well. The issues are already listed, the fixes are already in the field, so I really can't see the problem of a bit of exercise on the code and us working together.
If we get into RFE's, from my own past discussions in this area, I know I'm going to have a lot of things to say and a lot of stuff to challenge/thrash out. Basically my view is that will delay the first release far too long.
I agree, but I expect each of us can make a judgment about when it is an opportune moment to make these public (rather sooner than later I would say) and for which phase to schedule it for discussion and incorporation. And misjudgments are a good way to learn to work in this project, so a few of them are even necessary I guess :-) My problem so far is that getting a release out of the door as a sign of life seems to be the most important aspect instead of us (all) working together. To me the release represents a gesture to the world of our good intentions (which can be important although I'm not so very sensitive to that) but has no advantage over October 2005 (legally it is even an incubator release) while at the same time it is putting some people in the wait mode and that I have a 'slight problem' with. I believe the questions of Bob are still unanswered so probably it is best to have people who want to have a release out of the door ASAP provide an answer for them and make a task of the things to be done for the first release and then have a vote about it. I don't know whether a vote is normal in this case but no doubt our mentors or somebody more acquainted with the process here will help us out with that. I hope my language is not too harsh. I'm Dutch so that means I've been brought up in a consensus society where people go-with-the-flow-although-screaming-and-kicking so probably I support what the majority ends up with if they let me do 3 issues ;-). -- Mark
