Niclas and others, I'm pretty sure the last email in the thread from Niclas was 
the first time I have seen any specifics, and I know from my point view the 
debate is simply: What exactly are we talking about? The whole reason for my 
suggestion of some specifics and code examples. You'll always have to be able 
to prove the specifics to bring people along. Forks can do that, or you can 
make branches and show folks your changes, and then they can see how it works 
with things they are doing, and then they can change this or that or make 
suggestions and then consensus can be formed. Then everyone, after consensus, 
at least a majority, will be 'sure add it' or 'sure change the base'. Most OSS 
I have worked on have been about patches and branches and forks to show folks 
what they are talking about, and big changes require more, and little things 
don't require so much. 

Wade

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----- Original Message ----
> From: Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Split JavaSpaces and JINI
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Jools wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. Fork comes to mind, and there seems to be
> enough willing people to take big steps in all kinds of directions. I
> hope we can grow a common base to move forward. It will be interesting
> days for me for the remaining days of the year. Stay tuned.
> 
> > So I guess it comes to this. Is river just a place where Sun has parked
> > jini, so legacy codebases can get access to the old code, or is it a place
> > where we can start to build the tools for the next generation of distributed
> > systems ?
> 
> 
> If this is the case, then River will fail incubation and either be
> dangling in limbo or have to be moved elsewhere. Incubator will not
> graduate a community dormant project.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Niclas

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