Greg Trasuk wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 07:18, Michael McGrady wrote:
>> The time it takes to get JINI up and running is inevitable.  It is  
>> due, I believe, to a few fundamental architectural missteps that can  
>> be fixed.  
> 
> Could you please describe the architectural missteps?  My own personal
> journey with Jini went from "Wow this is complicated" to "The problem
> domain is complicated and Jini is the clanest possible solution."  
> 
> 

+1 - and please if you mention Entry's being in JavaSpaces again,
provide a specific addressing of how you allow for the fact it's also in
Lookup.  Without such an explanation I'd consider your reasoning to be
broken.

> Cheers,
> 
> Greg.
> 
>> The fix is not a problem.  It is a solution.  There are a  
>> number of people pointing at the same problem.
>>
>> However, while open source teams are good at meeting systems  
>> engineering challenges, they can be really bad or at least not very  
>> good at meeting systems architecting challenges.  This is evident in  
>> the conversation.  You don't make a systems architect in a day.  There  
>> is a reason why Congress had to mandate that aerospace companies use  
>> the resources of a non-profit systems architecture company  (Aerospace  
>> Corporation) that was separated from their efforts.
>>
>> Guidance based on architectural heuristics and models is not something  
>> that systems engineers typically embrace without a lot of reluctance  
>> and more rolling of the eyes.  The people questioning the changes  
>> being discussed are less recalcitrant than usual.  I am optimistic.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:36 AM, Calum Shaw-Mackay wrote:
>>
>>> To my mind - if you can't get something up and running within 10
>>> minutes, no amount of 'but it's cool' will save you. Jini doesn't have
>>> the groundswell that other projects have for instance Spring that will
>>> keep a developer looking at it and the docs for a couple of hours
>>> before they get something useful happening...
>>>
>>> We have to get the 'download'-'edit'-'build'-'aha this is great, why
>>> haven't I used this before' cycle down to as quick as possible.... it
>>> took me a week of wrangling to go from Jini 1.2 to 2.0 - quite simply
>>> it's not a good sign....
>>>
>>> Yes Jini makes the hard network things easier - but working _with_
>>> Jini should be made easier, and quicker in the first instance..... yes
>>> we have all the security aspects and they're very good.... but you
>>> can't drop new people into that quagmire straight away.... to be
>>> honest, I think it's scaring people off
>>>
>>> 2008/12/11 Jools <[email protected]>:
>> Michael McGrady
>> Senior Engineer
>> Topia Technology, Inc.
>> 1.253.720.3365
>> [email protected]

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