I'd like to see currently external projects join River as subprojects.

By working together we increase our strength and visibility.

Peter.

Dennis Reedy wrote:
On Oct 15, 2010, at 738AM, Sim IJskes - QCG wrote:

On 15-10-10 13:17, Tom Hobbs wrote:
So my question is this; do people see River as existing solely to
provide functionality to the third party containers, thereby meaning
that developers should only ever be downloading River as a dependency
for their chosen container/application; or do we see developers
downloading and using River directly?

My personal view is *both*.
Both! We dont have, nor desire any control over all the additions you can find 
on the internet. Others have made forks of jini/river and added facilities to 
it. No problem with that. But the River community right now should care 
foremost about itself. When we have our house in order, then we can care about 
others. Right now we are working hard to make River a popular package, and try 
to reduce the tendency of others to fork.

I dont know of any available open source project that builds on River that has 
actually forked the River codebase. I do know of at least one commercial 
company that has forked River (and also forked my project).

I refuse to let our attempts at lowering the threshold be stifled by others who 
think we should leave this to them.

Lowering the threshold? In what way? By taking advantage of experiences that 
others have had over the past decade of using Jini, that have put those 
experiences into projects external to Jini?

I'm not telling you to stop, I'm telling you to first look around and see whats 
out there. If you dont like it, go re-develop what (in my guess) most likely 
exists and is running in someone's application today.

Cheers

Dennis




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