-1 because for checkint our tree we need master, on we simply remove it
from the server i'm sure people find ways like in the overrides
*:
- branch: master
to do such things.
Best,
Matthias
On 05.06.2014 13:23, Vincent vittori wrote:
+1 for removing master
2014-06-05 9:25 GMT+02:00 Alexander Duda <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Am 05.06.2014 um 09:08 schrieb Matthias Goldhoorn
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Good Morning,
I don't know what you mean with resistance, in the past master
was the most "stable" version with the newest features.
Therefore there was no resistance.
Specially for Syskit/Roby i not posted all bugs, most of the bugs
i workaround, but i will start to create bug-requests for this...
Regarding the new functionality, you are right, most of these
features are not needed, they make only the life easier..., but
if i as developer see the need of a feature and implement it, i
want to use this directly. I think this is normal, since the
rock-devs are not pure-rock devs, work is done if we feel that we
need enhancements...
Maybe we should rename the structure or introduce a experimental
branch. Phsychological i have the impression that "master" gets
associated with "newest" not with an "unstable development"
version. Maybe we should rename or create an additional
"unstable" branch, from where the release policy to master is not
so fixed windowed...
example development:
- work is done on experimental and pushed as soon as the dev
thing it might work
- experimental is pushed to master, as soon the responsible dev
thing his changes work for all (few days upto a week?)
Again i thing the primary reasons why most of all stays on master
ist that the other branches does not have the "needed"("wished")
features, or they have bugs that are not pushed from master
I have my doubt here. None of the core packages had major issues
the last couple of months forcing people to use master for the
hole bootstrap.
Thoughts?
I have the feeling we should just remove master as flavor. In this
case everyone has to bootstrap next or stable and if needed he/she
can manually overwrite specific packages.
Alex
Matthias
On 04.06.2014 17:00, Sylvain Joyeux wrote:
Then ... my next question would be:
Why isn't there more resistance w.r.t. switching to master ?
I mean, when you say "oh I had a bug on syskit on next", did you
report it as a functionality bug on next ? Did you insist that
it should be fixed *on next* ? instead of switching to master ?
For new functionality, how much of it is "oh but I need X, it is
so shiny" instead of "without X, I really cannot do it !". I
mean, when I worked on the Orion I *wanted* some features from
master, but quickly realized that I did not *need* them. I had
what was strictly needed to get the Joints type (meaning
typelib/master but orogen/next)
As for the release schedule / frequency, I can only do +1.
Releases are too far apart.
My big problem here is that master has become the de-facto
version of Rock that everyone uses, which really hinders
possibility to do some actual development.
Sylvain
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Matthias Goldhoorn
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
On 04.06.2014 15:43, Sylvain Joyeux wrote:
Is that everyone seem to think that they need master. The
majority should be using stable or next.
Now, I *know* that there are reasons (there are always
reasons) why one might think that master is required.
However, the main question for me is:
How can we make people feel confident that they can use
next ?
Or
How can we ensure that 'next' can be used except for a
few packages that would go on master ?
The best way to start answering these questions is to
answer another one:
Why are you on master ?
Because i using syskit and the next version is even more
unstable than master. I had several times that the
depandancy between roby/syskit and other 'core' packages is
hard. So i cannot stay a long time on next and only with
syskit/roby on master.
Indeed i'm not sure if i can currently use syskit/roby on
next and everything else on master.
So generally speaking, incompatibilities between
syskit/roby/utilmm/utilrb/typelib/orogen/ base/types/(std)
The Second point, is that the release cycle to next is to
long for new features, i i (as rock-dev) add new features
to rock. I take ofter months before it goes into next.
Therefore i have (due to the same reasons above) switch to
master, also for other members of my project. I would prefer
a shorter release time between master/stable/next...
Best,
Matthias
Sylvain
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