I thought I expressed this clearly enough

> My feeling is that
> 1) the list issue is to be addressed in skin engine
> 2) default/hardcoded lists should use skin engine and the engine
> should 'autoexpand/pad' lists to be usable as needed

So to recap, I think skin engine should have the ability to pad/expand
 lists (something like your patch(es) do but coded in different place)
AND default/hardcoded lists should exploit this ability.

Marcin Bukat

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