On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 11:22, Matt Raible wrote:
> Dave and Allen,
> 
> You guys are obviously biased in your votes here - primarily because
> Roller is your job and you've been mandated to schedule the releases
> to more fit their work schedule.  I don't blame you.
> 
> You guys are contributing the most code, and handling all release
> aspects - so I believe the decision is up to you.  I'm in favor of
> whatever you guys advocate.  If you are going to go through with this,
> it'd be nice to see a release schedule so we know when it's best to
> commit code.  I'd like to integrate Acegi this week or next, but if
> there's a release coming out soon, I should probably wait.

Dave and I are certainly influenced by our commitments to our team here at Sun, 
but ultimately the decision should come from the community at large.

I think a release schedule is a good idea and as usual we will want to 
communicate to everyone on the team when a release is nearing so that we can 
coordinate changes to the repository.  This also gives commiters a chance to 
better guage what release they want to target certain code for.

About commiting the Acegi stuff, my biggest concern here is not where/when to 
commit it but rather that I don't recall any formal proposal being sent around. 
 I know we talked about this a few times, but I like to see some kind of 
document that at least talks about ...

- are there db schema changes required, and if so what changes.
- very generally, what is the new code design.  what classes are new, changed, 
removed?  how do they fit together?
- what changes would there be to the UI, if any?

Hopefully I am not coming off as anal, but I am generally of the opinion that 
our greatest opportunity for teamwork comes at design time, not implemenation 
time.  So to really collaborate on this project as effectively as possible I 
think we need to have good design docs that are reviewed by everyone before 
coding beings (or gets too far along).

-- Allen


> 
> Matt  
> 
> On 8/9/05, Lance Lavandowska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 8/9/05, Allen Gilliland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > (2) Strict non-breakage policies on the trunk.  Successful build = full
> > > > test passage.
> > >
> > > i'm not sure i agree here.  obviously we can't have ppl commiting code 
> > > that is 25% complete or code that is completely broken, but who does that 
> > > anyways?  i think most of us develop a feature in our own workspace and 
> > > only commit it when we believe it's reasonably complete.
> > 
> > Heh, Allen (as a relatively late-comer) isn't familiar with the
> > Lavandowska "it's good enough" Principle.  I've often committed code
> > that just-barely does what it is intended to do.  Often it's provided
> > as a proof-of-concept, intended to elicit feedback and cooperation,
> > that gets pushed into production.
> > 
> > Now this mostly came about when we didn't do branches (I think because
> > none of us were familiar/comfortable enough with them).  Now that I've
> > trimmed my code contributions down to once-per-year I think there is
> > much less danger from the Lavandowska Principle.
> > 
> > Lance
> >

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