Doamna Ayaan Hirsi Ali a ajuns in Olanda, a cerut azil si a devenit o
critica redutabila atat a multiculturalismului cat si a propriei sale
religii. (Islamul)
In noiembrie trecut, regizorul unui film al carui scenariu il 
scrisese,
despre conditia femeii in Islam, a fost ucis decalnsand o criza in 
Olanda
referitor la atitudinea vis-a-vis de imigrare.
Ucis ca si Hitoshi Igarashi traducatorul japonez al "Versetelor 
Satanice",
injunghiat la Tokio in 1991.

Cu regret, Jihadul nu mai este de mult lupta cu propria persoana.
De mult, adica de la Mahomed incoace !
Este lupta impotriva a TOT ce refuza supunerea absoluta la cuvantul
Profetului.
Am sa o citez pe Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "Cu prima porunca Mahomed a 
incercat sa
intemniteze bunul simt, cu a doua a transformat in sclava partea 
frumoasa,
romantica a omenirii". (femeia)

Dicu-Sava Cristian
www.dsclex.ro

In masura timpului disponibil o sa traduc aticolul.


She arrived in the Netherlands as an asylum seeker and became a fiery 
critic
of both multiculturalism and her own religion, Islam. Then last 
November the
director of a film she wrote about the subjugation of Muslim women was
killed, sparking a crisis over the country's attitudes to 
immigration. In
her first British interview since the murder, Ayaan Hirsi Ali talks to
Alexander Linklater

In 1989, the year that Ayatollah Khomeini issued his fatwa against 
Salman
Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali was a devout student attending the Muslim 
Girls'
Secondary School in Nairobi. Her father, a Somali rebel leader, had 
the
previous year led an insurgency into the Somali region of Ayl in a 
failed
attempt to overthrow the dictatorship of Mohammed Siad Barre. The 
family
continued to sit out their exile in Kenya. By the age of 20, Hirsi 
Ali had
been wearing the full hijab for four years. When news of the Rushdie 
fatwa
reached the school, she and her fellow students felt immediate 
solidarity
with Iran and Khomeini, even although they were not Shias. They 
learned that
people in Britain were indignant about the threat to one of their 
writers,
which only seemed to confirm to the girls that the western world 
should be
taught the consequences of denigrating Islam. "We had heard that 
there was
this book," Hirsi Ali says, "and that the author had said something 
horrible
about the Prophet, which was extremely blasphemous. And the first 
thought
that came into my head was simply, 'Oh, he must be killed.' "
Now dressed in the open-necked uniform of a glamorous European 
politician,
Hirsi Ali is in much the same predicament as the British writer she 
once
wished dead. She has recently emerged from a period of deep hiding,
following the ritualised killing in November of her collaborator, the 
film
director Theo van Gogh. But she still lives under a strict security 
regime.
We sit by the window of a restaurant on the 23rd floor of a hotel in
Amsterdam - after her expressionless bodyguards have checked the 
place out.
She has chosen this spot because the last time she stayed in the 
hotel her
minders wouldn't let her show herself in the dining room. She still 
marvels
at the canal-checkered view below, an image of orderliness and 
freedom which
she found amazing on first arriving at the borders of this country 13 
years
ago, and which is no longer available to her.
Like Rushdie, Hirsi Ali has uttered offences against Islam, and has 
suffered
the knowledge that a colleague was murdered as a consequence (the 
Japanese
translator of The Satanic Verses, Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed to 
death in
Tokyo in 1991). But unlike Rushdie, Hirsi Ali's blasphemies have not 
been
couched in postmodern literary formulations; they have been 
intentional,
literal and graphic. In 2002, while still working as a researcher for 
the
then conventionally multiculturalist Dutch Labour party, she publicly
described the Prophet as a pervert (for taking a child as one of his 
wives)
and as a tyrant. She took over where the eccentric populist Pim 
Fortuyn had
left off, arguing that Islam was a backward religion, that it 
subordinated
women and stifled art. "With the first commandment, Mohammed tried to
imprison common sense," she told the Dutch liberal daily, Trouw. "And 
with
the second commandment the beautiful, romantic side of mankind was
enslaved."
The threats on her life began to accumulate, both via Islamic 
internet sites
and from more personal sources around Europe. Hirsi Ali thinks the 
tipping
point came when she told an interviewer on Dutch radio that while 
being a
Muslim was part of her identity, she didn't believe in God - thus 
confirming
herself as an apostate. By September 2002, she was living under guard.
It was towards the end of last year, however, that she became the 
source of
a national crisis in the Netherlands. An 11-minute film, written by 
Hirsi
Ali and directed by Van Gogh, was broadcast on television. It 
featured the
stories of four women pleading with God for release from domestic, 
social
and marital bondage. What many Muslims found intolerable were the 
images of
naked female bodies onto which had been painted verses from the Qur'an
authorising the subordination of women. By using the literal meaning 
of
Islam - Submission - as the title of the film, Hirsi Ali was really
following an old-school feminist line that, for women, uncritical 
submission
to an Abrahamic religion means submitting to men. "I feel, at least 
once a
week, the strength of my husband's fist on my face," one character, 
Amina,
cries in the film. "Oh, Allah most high, life with my husband is hard 
to
bear, but I submit my will to you."
On November 2, while cycling to work on a busy Amsterdam street, Theo 
van
Gogh was shot eight times by a young, bearded man wearing a long 
jellaba.
The portly film-maker staggered onwards and twice begged for mercy as 
his
assailant approached. According to witnesses, van Gogh emitted the
peculiarly Dutch plea, "Surely we can talk about this?" It was a 
dismal end
for this ribald controversialist - well known in the Netherlands for 
his
obscene broadsides against Muslims, Jews, Christians, liberals and
conservatives alike. Most notoriously, Van Gogh had described Muslims 
as
"goat-fuckers". Despite Hirsi Ali's pleas, however, he had refused to 
seek
protection after Submission was screened, telling her: "I'm just the 
village
idiot, they won't touch me; but you need to be careful, you're the
unfaithful woman." In fact they were equal targets. The assassin drew 
two
butcher's knives, slitting Van Gogh's throat to the spine with one 
and, with
the other, pinning a letter to his chest. "Ayaan Hirsi Ali, you will 
break
yourself to pieces on Islam," the letter, written in Dutch, declared 
amid a
garbled discourse about a Jewish conspiracy in Holland. "You, oh 
America,
will go down," it climaxed. "You, oh Europe, will go down ... You, oh
Netherlands, will go down ... You, oh Hirsi Ali, will go down."
In the aftermath of the murder, the already fraught issues of Dutch
multiculturalism, and of community relations with the country's
900,000-strong Muslim population, became incendiary. Twelve mosques 
were
attacked, and an Islamic primary school was twice set alight. Back in 
2002,
the murder of Pim Fortuyn had occasioned outrage, and a blunt 
reappraisal of
immigration policy in the Netherlands. With Van Gogh's killing, 
however, the
arguments went deeper, tearing into the central tenets of Dutch 
national
identity. Mohammed Bouyeri, the man arrested for his killing, had 
been in
many respects a model of integration: he was of Moroccan descent, but
Dutch-born and Dutch-educated, and this cast him in the role of the 
enemy
within. The popular leftwing historian Geert Mak views the response 
as a
gross overreaction to a one-off event. Unlike the dignified response 
of
Spaniards to the Madrid bombings, he says, "we have only one murder, 
and
everybody goes crazy".
It is possible that, as Mak puts it, Holland is "a small, provincial
country," unable to bear the realities of globalisation, which has 
used a
nasty murder as an excuse to conflate issues of Islam, immigration and
security. But the country's problems are far from imaginary. Van Gogh 
and
Hirsi Ali are not the only public figures to have been targeted with 
death
threats. Amsterdam's Jewish mayor, Job Cohen - despite meticulous
bridge-building with Muslim communities - also requires bodyguards; 
as does
his Moroccan-born deputy, Ahmed Aboutaleb. Similarly singled out by 
Dutch
Islamist radicals are the anti-immigrant politician Geert Wilders, 
and the
Dutch-Moroccan artist Rachid Ben Ali, whose work satirises the 
violence of
extremists.
In many ways, the Netherlands is a crucible case within Europe, 
because the
issues surrounding immigration are so stark. For example, the economic
argument deployed by both leftwing multiculturalists and free-market
conservatives - that immigration revives aging populations, provides 
new
labour resources, and generates entrepreneurial activity - simply 
does not
apply in the Netherlands. There has been no overall economic benefit 
to
population change since unskilled guest workers were invited to the
Netherlands in the early 1970s. According to Paul Scheffer, a leading 
critic
of multiculturalism and professor of urban sociology at Amsterdam
university, up to 60% of first-generation Turkish and Moroccan 
populations
are unemployed. "It's a huge failure," he says, "everyone can see 
that."
Within a generation, the Netherlands has swung from blithe open-door
immigration to anxious protectionism. During the 1990s, there was 
quite
literary no immigration policy in the country, and a laissez-faire,
multicultural orthodoxy reigned. Numbers of asylum seekers escalated
annually from 3,500 in 1985 to over 43,000 in 2000 - pro rata among 
the
highest in the EU. By 2001, 46% of the population of Amsterdam 
consisted of
first- or second-generation immigrants. It is in the Netherlands that
European multiculturalism, with its tendency to produce segregation, 
most
dramatically flourished and died.
It is important to be cautious of the Dutch figures. In the 
Netherlands, an
immigrant is classified as anyone with one or more parents born 
abroad. But
within a generation, the shift in population has by any calculation 
been
large, rapid and difficult to handle. Perhaps the most remarkable 
sign of
the acceleration of change is that two thirds of schoolchildren in 
Amsterdam
now come from immigrant backgrounds. Add to this the fact that nearly 
1
million of the Netherlands' 1.7 million immigrants are Muslim and it 
is not
hard to see how issues of Islam and migration have become entangled.
Which is why Hirsi Ali's full-frontal attacks on Islam generate such 
acute
discomfort. The Netherlands, with an overall population of 16 
million, has
among the highest concentrations of Muslim inhabitants in the EU. 
Hirsi Ali
argues that there is less a problem with migration in general, than 
with its
Muslim component in particular, and that she should know, because she 
is
herself a Muslim migrant. Hopes for a moderate Islam are only 
meaningful,
she argues, if it is possible to chip away the theological brickwork -
constructed, she believes, on a foundation of female oppression - 
which
permeates the structure of the religion. But Islam, she says, is 
unable to
endure criticism or change, and is essentially at odds with European 
values.
With up to 20 million Muslims living in the EU, the journey she has 
taken in
the past 16 years from Africa to Europe, from asylum seeker to 
politician,
and from devotion to apostasy, has come to appear central to the 
story of
the crisis of multiculturalism on the continent. This month, Time 
magazine
selected her as one of the 100 most influential people in the world - 
an odd
but remarkable acknowledgement for a 35-year-old Somali who four 
years ago
was unknown, even in the Netherlands.
An interesting indication of the extent to which Hirsi Ali needles 
people
are the lurid epithets and insults she draws from across the political
spectrum. While internet extremists lent her a quasi-legendary status 
as the
"Wicked Infidel Mortadda," even a figure from the Dutch liberal left 
such as
Geert Mak will reach for phrases such as "Somali princess" and "Joan 
of Arc"
to explain her unsettling charisma. From a free-market perspective, 
the
Economist rather oddly defines her as a cultural ideologue of the new 
right.
Other commentators have dismissed her as a politician of rage, a self-
hating
orientalist, a liberal jihadist, and an enlightenment fundamentalist.
While the name-calling tends to reveal more about Hirsi Ali's critics 
than
it does about her, there is a more subtly personal line of attack that
genuinely galls her. This is the idea that what she thinks and says is
somehow born of the scars of a traumatised background. "Why are 
journalists
obsessed with personal history?" she asks in her quiet, Africa-lilted
English (one of six languages she speaks, including Somali, Arabic, 
Amharic,
Swahili and Dutch). "From my background, being an individual is not
something you take for granted. Here it is all you, me, I. There it 
is we,
we, we. I come from a world where the word 'trauma' doesn't exist, 
because
we are too poor. I didn't have an easy life compared to the average
European. But compared to the average African, it wasn't all that 
bad. I
know that to some people I am traumatised, that there is something 
wrong
with me. But that just allows them not to hear what I say."
The first biographical detail that those who have painted Hirsi Ali 
as a
trauma victim point to is her extremely premature birth, shortly 
after the
Somali government had been overthrown by Siad Barre. Her father had 
been
jailed, and the family believed that the shock of this brought on the 
birth.
Hirsi Ali was expected to die. "But I didn't die," she smiles. "I 
kept on
living and crying. I got sick, and started crying, and I got sick 
again, and
I started crying again - that's the story my mother told me. I 
remember bits
and pieces of Somalia, with the memory of a child. I remember going to
school and singing, and then my mother saying, 'When you go to school 
today,
don't sing, because the songs that you sing are praise-songs for the 
man who
locked up your father.' "
She remembers Siad Barre's soldiers coming to the door one day and 
the tiny
figure of her grandmother, knife in hand, standing up to the men and 
being
tossed to the ground like a doll, in startling contravention of 
traditions
of respect for older women as the men ransacked hidden supplies of 
food
smuggled in by her mother. "And that's what I associate with 
Somalia," Hirsi
Ali says, "the picture of strong women: the one who smuggles in the 
food,
and the one who stands there with a knife against the army and 
says, 'You
cannot come into the house.' And I became like that. And my parents 
and my
grandmother don't appreciate that now - because of what I've said 
about the
Qur'an. I have become them, just in a different way."
>From the age of six or seven, Ayaan Hirsi's life became that of an 
exile,
her family moving from Saudi Arabia to Ethiopia and then, for 10 
years, to
Kenya. Cod-psychoanalysis might find other patterns of trauma in this
journey, such as the time she received a beating from an imam for 
refusing
to recite the Qur'an. But the problem for such an interpretation of 
Hirsi
Ali is that a proper definition of trauma requires either blocking or
repetition of memory, and the only people doing that have been her
interviewers. Hirsi Ali corrects this oft-reported story, and turns it
inside out. "He wasn't an imam," she says, "he was a mallim, a 
teacher, and
I was a difficult girl. He caught me by the braids in my hair and 
began
tossing my head against a wall, and then I heard a 'crack,' and he 
must have
heard it as well, because he immediately stopped, gave me a warning, 
and
went away. He was probably the one who was traumatised, because after 
that
nobody wanted him back."
Yet the one dark subject that Hirsi Ali's critics are really hinting 
at when
they describe her "trauma" is the issue that she has now made a 
matter of
policy in the Netherlands, which is to say, female circumcision. It 
is the
issue that most offends Hirsi Ali's Muslim opponents; not because she 
has
spoken out against the practice - plenty of Muslims have done that 
before -
but because her critics insist that she has described it either as a
universal feature of Muslim life, or one that is explicitly 
sanctioned by
the Qur'an. Neither is the case. Rather, Hirsi Ali views it as a 
product of
specific tribal practice combined with a broader cult of virginity, 
which is
indeed upheld by the Qur'an (as it is by the Old Testament).
It is a subject that, again, forces her back to her Somali childhood, 
if
only to dispel cliches. "From experience, I would say it is mostly 
women
trying to protect other women from pain," she explains. "Not physical 
pain,
but the pain of people being suspicious that you are not a virgin. 
That is
more traumatic, perhaps, than the physical pain. In tribal life, the 
only
way a male, particularly high up in the clan, can give his name to 
someone
else is if he knows for certain that it is his child. And the weak 
link is
the woman. The one way to guarantee that a woman is not going to have 
other
people's babies is if she remains a virgin. In Arab countries, which
segregate men and women, they do it by keeping women in the house. 
But we
were from a semi-desert area, where if, like my grandfather, you have 
nine
daughters, you need the labour of women outside. So you cut off the 
clitoris
of the woman, sew together what is left, and you know that she will 
not be
seduced. It is a matter of control."
In Hirsi Ali's case, her father had instructed her mother not to 
circumcise
their daughters because, having studied in America, he had decided to 
reject
the whole clan principle. But when her grandmother heard about this 
she was
appalled and it was organised while her mother was away, when Hirsi 
Ali was
about five. "As a child it is something you are proud of," Hirsi Ali 
says.
"I remember the celebrations. I remember the goodies and the gifts. 
And I
remember being caught by these two women - one of them my 
grandmother. But
they couldn't find a woman to do it. They found a man, and 
fortunately for
those girls circumcised by men, it's much milder. So I wasn't 
circumcised in
the way that I should have been."
Despite his opposition to female circumcision, Hirsi Ali's father, on 
his
return from the US, contracted his daughter to marry a cousin living 
in
Canada. "My father had been away for 11 years," Hirsi Ali 
laughs. "Who did
he think he was, marrying me off? But because I also love and admire 
my
father, I spoke to the man he wanted me to marry, and I asked him 
what kind
of life we were going to have together. And he said, 'Well, you're 
going to
have six sons for me.' And I told my father I didn't want this, and 
he said
he couldn't go back on his word." When Hirsi Ali refused to attend, 
they
carried out the ceremony without her. "Clan members came together, 
papers
were signed, and I was married."
That, very nearly, was Hirsi Ali's life settled. The only problem was 
how to
get her into Canada, and the solution was to go via a cousin in 
Germany, who
could organise the papers. Hirsi Ali spent two nights in Germany and 
then,
on a whim, bolted. She took a train to the Netherlands, and walked 
out on
her husband, her family and her culture. "I thought, if I don't try 
it now,
I'll never know. I thought, if they discover me in Holland, and take 
me to
Canada, then I'll live peacefully with my husband. But I had to try. 
And, I
must admit, it was easy. You just had to take the train anywhere. And 
I
asked for asylum under another name - my name is Ayaan Hirsi Magan, 
and I
told them that my name is Ayaan Hirsi Ali."
Hirsi Ali describes the process of her own immigration into the 
Netherlands
when we next meet, this time in the Hague, where she is a member of
parliament for the VVD liberal party, one of the three-party coalition
currently in power. In 1992 - having deleted the story of her life in 
Saudi
Arabia, Ethiopia and Kenya; and having gained entry as a single 
Somali woman
fleeing danger - she was sent to an asylum seekers' centre in 
Leintern, in
the municipality of Ede, which a decade later would become famous in 
the
Netherlands as the place where the kids cheered the 9/11 attacks. At 
that
time things were made comparatively easy for asylum seekers. She was
designated as an A-status refugee, which allowed her to stay 
indefinitely
(this designation is almost impossible to get now). She stayed in her 
centre
for 11 months, doing cleaning jobs and helping other Somalis with 
their own
procedures, translating for women who had been rejected by their 
families
after losing their honour (virginity), translating for social 
services, and
interviewing battered wives. She was not allowed a paid job, but 
housing and
food were taken care of by the government, and when she left in 1993 
to do a
secretarial course, she was receiving 20-30 gilders a week from the 
state,
as "pocket money".
It is hard to gauge what Hirsi Ali's flight really cost her. Her 
father has
since forgiven her, and told her that she is officially divorced (he 
still
hopes that she will return to the Muslim fold), though at the time he 
wrote
what she describes as "an extremely cruel letter," declaring that he 
would
never have anything to do with her again.
By contrast, the main difficulties Hirsi Ali encountered with the
immigration system, were just dreary bureaucracy and the ponderous
well-meaning labour officers who kept directing her to work she 
didn't want.
The idea that she might go to university was dismissed so she called 
up a
social academy herself, was allowed to enrol, gained a diploma and, 
in 1995,
got a place at Leiden University to study political science. The 
choice of
subject speaks for itself, she says. "I wanted to understand why all 
we
asylum seekers were coming here, and why everything worked in this 
country,
and why you could walk undisturbed through the streets at night, and 
why
there was no corruption, and why on the other side of the world there 
was so
much corruption and so much conflict."
At university, Hirsi Ali's world-view was turned upside down. "It was 
like
being in paradise," she says. "Imagine. Everybody is reasonable. 
Everybody
is tolerant. Everybody is happy. Your biggest worries are, 'Will I 
get my
points?' and 'Do I have a boyfriend?' and 'Did I party well last 
night?' And
then you have vacations." Suddenly, she found herself able to earn 
money and
travel freely. She went to China, wandered Europe, and returned to 
Africa.
And her Muslim observances slowly fell away. She took off her 
headscarf,
began eating during Ramadan, found herself a boyfriend and began to 
avoid
other Muslims who reminded her of her fall. One day, some students 
declared
they were going to take her drinking. "And I said, 'I can't; it's 
forbidden
by God; I'll go to hell.' And they said, 'Wooah, that's cool!' And my 
first
drink was a martini. After one glass, I was completely drunk."
Hirsi Ali's frolic in the pastures of Dutch liberal education was not 
to
last long, however. In 2000 she read an article by the well-known 
leftwing
writer Paul Scheffer, entitled The Multicultural Drama, which was to 
mark
the beginning of a convulsion in the Dutch immigration debate. 
Scheffer's
argument was that unemployment among immigrant communities was 
bringing the
Netherlands' welfare system to a point of crisis, and that the 
country's
failure to integrate large numbers of new citizens was turning 
cultural
diversity into a social problem. At the time, it was widely dismissed 
as
racist scaremongering by the political classes of the then ruling 
Labour
party. Hirsi Ali herself remembers reading Scheffer and thinking, "He
doesn't live in the same country that I live in. He's exaggerating. 
And the
unemployment statistics - living in Leiden, I couldn't see them."
But shortly after leaving university, Hirsi Ali found herself 
researching
precisely this issue for the Labour party. Working for a leftwing 
thinktank,
she says, was a bit like an extension of student life, with everyone
agreeing with each other. But the Labour party itself was increasingly
divided over immigration, and the rising popularity of Pim Fortuyn was
stripping away the party's support. "There were those who said we 
have to
keep the welfare state intact, and we don't want newcomers taking the 
jobs
of old labour members," Hirsi Ali recalls. "And there was the other 
side
which said, no, we must accept other cultures." Unsurprisingly, the 
policy
unit assigned its bright new Somali researcher to an immigration 
brief. No
one expected her to come back with proposals for a reversal of 100 
years of
Dutch history.
What Hirsi Ali found herself confronting was the central feature of 
social
organisation in the Netherlands, known as "pillarisation". It is a 
principle
that dates back to the 17th century when Amsterdam was Europe's 
busiest
mercantile centre and when common sense dictated that, if business 
were to
thrive, religious differences had to be set aside and antagonistic 
groups
kept physically separate. Article 23 of the Dutch constitution, which
established rights for the setting up of separate schools and 
institutions,
is itself a central pillar of the Dutch system, and, in the 1960s, was
conveniently reinterpreted as the standard of a new multicultural
orthodoxy - officially expressed as "integration with maintenance of 
one's
own identity". It was in this respect that Dutch society found itself 
in
seeming harmony with the new Muslim populations who began to arrive 
from the
1970s - partly from the former colony of Surinam, but mostly from 
Morocco
and Turkey. Muslims wanted their own schools and mosques, and the 
Dutch
government happily provided for and funded them. Just as there had 
been
Catholic, Protestant and secular "pillars" in the Netherlands, there 
could
now be a Muslim one too.
Hirsi Ali's recommendations to the Labour policy unit were blunt and
radical: close all 41 Islamic schools, put a break on immigration and 
change
article 23. Jaws hit the table. The reaction she got indicated how 
badly she
had started trampling on taboos. Job Cohen, who would emerge as one 
of the
key bridge-builders in Dutch-Muslim relations, suggested that Hirsi 
Ali
focus on integration. Influenced by the events of September 11, 
however, she
began to publish articles arguing that Islam was not capable of 
integrating
into a society that was itself not very good at integration. 
Furthermore,
she concluded, if you looked into the condition of women in Muslim
communities you found an intractable problem, one which liberals and
multiculturalists refused to address. "I called it the paradox of the 
left,"
she says. "On the one hand they support ideals of equality and 
emancipation,
but in this case they do nothing about it; they even facilitate the
oppression."
The petite researcher who had been sent off to look into immigration 
had
turned into a mighty handful, even before she started attracting death
threats. In 2002 she accepted an invitation to stand as a member of
parliament for the opposition VVD party and - disillusioned with the 
Dutch
left - accepted. After the death of Fortuyn, Labour suffered a 
historic
defeat at the polls. Hirsi Ali found herself in government, under 
guard and
in the middle of a dispute about Islam and democracy which continues 
to
rattle through Europe.
While it may appear easy to dismiss Hirsi Ali as the migrant who has 
reacted
against her "traumatic" background and become a reactionary as a 
result, it
is only possible to do so without actually listening to her. This is 
what
she says: "You have to understand why people move, the type of people 
that
move, how they do it, the expectations involved. It is about being in 
a
small place somewhere in the world and thinking 'I want out'. It's 
about
coming here and ending up in a kitchen, and being exploited, and 
having the
choice of going back, but deciding to stay. And then you have to 
discover
why these people want to say. And what you discover does not make you 
a
chauvinist pig. If you understand that, you can really understand what
globalisation is about, and adapt and modify migration laws.
"I am not against migration. It is simply pragmatic to restrict 
migration,
while at the same time encouraging integration and fighting 
discrimination.
I support the idea of the free movement of goods, people, money and 
jobs in
Europe. But that will only work if universal human rights are also 
adopted
by the newcomers. And if they are not, then you run of the risk of 
losing
what you have here, and what other people want when they come here, 
which is
freedom."
And yet, for all that, Hirsi Ali has become associated with the 
politics of
migration generally, what really interests her is Islam - 
specifically, the
conflict between "universal" human rights and the theological 
rigidities of
traditional religion. There are others in the Netherlands who support 
some
of her broad aims, but reject her tactics. Haci Karacaer, the widely
respected leader of the Dutch-Turkish Milli G�r�s organisation, 
agrees with
her that "pillarisation" in the Muslim community needs to be broken 
up, just
as it does in the Netherlands as a whole. He sympathises with her 
advocacy
of women's rights. And he agrees with her also that fundamentalism is 
not
being tackled properly from within.
"The average Muslim, the moderate Muslim, doesn't speak," Karacaer 
says. "So
you can't see the diversity in Islamic society in Europe. In Britain 
and
France, it's better. There, Islamic society is much more 
differentiated." It
is when Hirsi Ali universalises her attacks on Islam, Karacaer says, 
that
she alienates those she should be winning over. "Her style has 
unnecessarily
polarised a lot of things."
So is Hirsi Ali tarring all Muslim cultures with one definition of the
meaning of Islam? "People who ask me that question assume that 
geography is
more important for Muslims than what is contained in the holy Qur'an. 
Of
course the circumstances in which people live in Turkey are different 
from
those in Morocco or Somalia. But when it comes to the relationship 
between
men and women, in all these countries there is a red line of the 
woman being
subordinate to the male. And most Muslim men justify this subordinacy 
with
the Qur'an. There are so many meanings Europeans miss. We Muslims are
brought up with the idea that there is just one relationship possible 
with
God - submission. That's Islam: submission to the will of Allah. I 
want to
bring about a different relationship, in which you say, 'Dear God, I 
would
like to have a conversation with You.' Instead of submission, you get 
a
relationship of dialogue. Let's just assume it's possible."
The idea of dialogue with God, of challenging God, is a leitmotif 
threading
its way through Hirsi Ali's declarations. And it may be this theme - 
the one
that Protestantism, particularly in its Calvinist and Presbyterian
manifestations, unleashed on Christianity - that drives her. What she 
is
really talking about is reformation, but of a religion that has no 
church,
no Caliphate. Hirsi Ali is an activist, for sure, but her targets are 
not so
much political as theological. And what she wants to do now is to 
produce a
follow-up to Submission - this time, the story of the men. She has 
just won
a court case, brought by a group of Muslims aiming to prevent her 
going
ahead with the project. The final hearing was a classically Dutch 
scene of
strenuous consensus-building, in which the Muslims had done the 
proper civic
thing by bringing their complaint to the courts, and where the judge
rejected their attempt to inhibit artistic expression, but only after 
he had
warned Hirsi Ali that she was pushing - albeit not crossing - the
"boundaries of what is tolerable."
It is painfully moving to think of this smart, quiet Somali woman, 
who looks
so small walking away between her bodyguards, believing herself to be
dangerous. But she is. Anyone who wants to work with her will have to
calculate the risk. "I don't want somebody else to be murdered," she 
says.
"But if I stop doing what I'm doing, it will be like another murder. 
That's
the real trauma, perhaps, the thought of going through what happened 
to Theo
van Gogh again. We told each other we would make part two, and the 
thing
that keeps me going is the thought, 'I have to do it, I have to do 
it, I
have to do it.'"

The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1485433,00.html







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