--- In [email protected], "Gabriela Debita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Parca sa zic ca in exgleza "cult" are sensul inclinat spre negativ."Sect" suna cam neutru.Cand vor sa induca ceva negativ, de regula folosesc "cults" nu "sects", u agree? Pe de alta parte, vorbesti despre protestanti in Romania si pui laolalta neo-protestanti(baptisti) cu protestanti(lutherani).Parca n- au aceleasi trasaturi, right?Deci nu-i amestecam. in ce priveste hypnoza, vad un articol interesant care arata ca unii psihiatri americani considera ca hypnoza poate juca un rol in convertirea la alt cult/secta.Concluzia articolului spune ca nu joaca un rol principal insa e interesant de vazut ca EXISTA persoane avizate (pihiatri) in US care inca iau in considerare aceasta varianta.Deci NU e chiar UN "mit": Psychologists remain at a loss for a comprehensive theory that explains cult conversion and membership. Many believe that hypnosis plays a role in facilitating and maintaining these conversions. Some consider hypnosis to be the central and most salient process in cult indoctrination. Others believe hypnosis plays an ambiguous or relatively small role. http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/can_hypnosis_explain_cult_convers ion.htm Can Hypnosis Explain "Cult" Conversion? Evidence from Science and Practice The following is a summary of a paper presented at the 2001 annual meeting of the American Psychological Association (APA), under the sponsorship of Division 30 (Psychological Hypnosis). Professor Emeritus (University of Pennsylvania) Arthur Dole, Ph.D. chaired the symposium. Participants included: mental health counselor/hypnotherapist and cult expert Steven Hassan, and psychologists Linda Jayne Dubrow and Steve K. Dubrow-Eichel. The Discussant was Edward Frischholz, a former President of Division 30 and currently Scientific Editor of the American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis. Below you will find the General Statement and individual presentation abstracts submitted to APA. General Statement According to renowned psychiatrist and social critic Robert Jay Lifton, 21st century societies will be faced by ongoing threats of violence at the hands of relatively small extremist movements and ³cults.² These groups typically eschew overt physical coercion and instead maintain group purpose and obedience by relying on more subtle yet powerful means of social and psychological influence. Psychologists remain at a loss for a comprehensive theory that explains cult conversion and membership. Many believe that hypnosis plays a role in facilitating and maintaining these conversions. Some consider hypnosis to be the central and most salient process in cult indoctrination. Others believe hypnosis plays an ambiguous or relatively small role. Still others point to the large number of conversion/indoctrination failures and other anomalies of cult conversion as proof that hypnosis is obscures our understanding of conversion experiences. This symposium considers the role of hypnosis in cult conversion from several viewpoints. The misuse of hypnosis is explored in one large cultic group founded by a science fiction writer and stage hypnotist. Its indoctrination methods liberally incorporate covert as well as overt hypnotic methods. The interaction of hypnosis and iatrogenic group process in a psychotherapy cult is presented next. The leaders (who recently surrendered their licenses following a series of malpractice and ethics complaints) used hypnotic techniques in group settings in which strong group pressure produced memories of childhood satanic abuse. They also induced and utilized prolonged trance states. The third presenter asks if hypnosis is a too-convenient label applied haphazardly and uncritically to a range of phenomena that are better understood by employing more parsimonious social psychological concepts. Describing cultic indoctrination processes as ³hypnosis²may oversimplify the cult phenomenon. Research suggests that cultic groups employ a broad range of influence strategies, some mundane and others exotic, and that cultic groups vary considerably. [Introduction by Steve Dubrow-Eichel] Cultic groups employ a broad range of influence strategies, some mundane and others exotic. These groups in and of themselves vary considerably. In fact, some research suggests there may be more variability among groups labeled as ³cultic² than there is between ³cults² and groups considered non-cultic. Nevertheless, many cultic groups do seem to employ methods that can be perceived by observers and participants as ³hypnosis.² Using research on overt, covert and ³extended² hypnosis, I will critically consider the employment of hypnosis in cult conversion, and will consider whether it should be accorded a minor role at best in explaining cult conversion. I will conclude by evaluating the ways in which the phenomenon of cult conversion informs us about the discrete ³reality² of hypnosis. On the other hand, legat de raspunsul tau catre mine: --- In [email protected], "Gabriela Debita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nu discutam despre mormoni. Normal ca practicile lor nu sunt > acceptabile pentru noi. > > Insa aveam impresia ca vorbeam de > luterani, baptisti, etc. Nu-i acelasi argument, iar problema cu > listele este ca nu poti scoate argumente din palarie pentru ca > mesajele anterioare se pastreaza. > Partea asta m-a facut sa rad. Deci nu numai sunt proasta pentru ca > nu inteleg, dar sustin si radicalismul religios!!! NU a spus nimeni asta.Iei lucrurile prea personal.La fel si cu cei care au pasuine sa arunce cu noroi.Nu era vorba de persoanele de fata. > Nu, domnule Dan D.N. (intrucat adresa include doar un pseudonim, am > folosit "Dan" pentru ca nu am stiut ce alt nume sa folosesc), > toleranta de care vorbeam este simplul respect fata de cei cu alte > credinte. Nu vorbeam de tolerarea mormonilor sau a scientologilor. > Dar asta pentru ca nu vorbeam de mormoni, Amish, sau alte exemple pe > care abia acum le produceti. Vorbeam de protestantii care sunt > mai "garden variety." > > ca e a doua oara in nici doua zile in care cineva incearca sa-mi > inchida gura fortat. > Sa nu uitam ca aici discutam opinii, si nu persoane. Putem sa > facem diferenta? DA, discutam si despre mormoni si despre toate sectele radicale!Asta dscutam:despre radicalism, prozelitism la unele secte.Daca mormonii au aparut in Romania de ce sa nu discutam? E neproductiv sa o intoarcem la lutherani si baptisti.Ei NU sunt secte.Vorbeam despre secte RADICALE cu un mod de viata BIZAR.Am dat exemple si mai toata lumea cunoaste exemple de genul asta.Nu degeaba majoritatea oamenilor se tin departe de ei, pentru ca sunt RADICALI.! Complet off-topic, poate fi insa folositor.Vad ca ai povestit despre un accident la genunchi: --- In [email protected], "Gabriela Debita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alt ex: m-am dus la biserica pe cand aveam probleme mari cu un > genunchi, la care imi rupsesem tendoanele. Tendoanele inca nu s- > au reparat E bine sa stii ca tendoanele rupte NU se repara niciodata de la sine.Exista interventie orthoscopica la nivelul genunchiului fara transplant, cu autotransplant.Daca ai posibilitatea fa-o pentru ca protejeaza genunchiul pentru mai tarziu.Dupa 6-12 luni, cu ceva efort la terapie, se poate alerga oricat, schia, orice.No restrictions!99% genunchiul ca nou.Tehnica e avansata la nivelul asta si permite chiar reabilitarea 99% pentru sportivi de mare performanta.E OK! dpdv al meu cred ca NU incearca nimeni sa-ti inchida gura fortat.Dar asa cum am mai spus am spus discutia cade in ridicol cand apare ambitia de a avea ultimul cuvant si a intoarce toate cuvintele pe toate sensurile in toate frazele. Eu nu mai revin asupra subiectului.Cred ca neintelegerea a intervenit din gresita interpretare, vorbind pe subiecte diferite respectiv secte respectiv, baptisti, lutherani, etc. Daca vrem sa dezbatem un subiect sunt convins ca nu asa il dezbatem: > Mie-mi suna paranoic. Poate ma insel. Oricum, consider subiectul incheiat. Legat de articolul acela cu Cioran si Nae Ionescu "nocivi".Ma mir ca nu l-au "agatat" cumva si pe Eliade.cand a lucrat ca diplomat la Lisabona a scris "Salazar si Revolutia portugheza", o carte care NU place multora. Insa in apararea lui Eliade exista chiar la Ottawa un medic care a scris articole interesante.Se numeste Francis I. Dworschak si articolul "Mircea Eliade and his detractors" il gasesti aici: http://www.geocities.com/mircea_eliade/eliadefrancisc2.htm ori in Asymetria, condusa de d-l Dan Clucer de la Paris. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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