--- In [email protected], alexandru calugareanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > si eu sunt de parere ca nu suntem (inca?) Detroitul Europei. Concluzia pe care o trag eu din acest articol e ca industria componentelor auto s-a dezvoltat masiv in ultimii ani. De la piese de dacie produse prin diverse CAP-uri, la zeci de investitii ale unor firme puternice. Daca o parte importanta a acestor investitii se datoreaza venirii Renault la Pitesti, putem spera la un al doilea val de investitii in aceasta industrie, odata cu trecerea uzinei de la Craiova la Ford sau Nissan. Daca si la Aro Campulung ar veni un mare constructor, atunci sintagma "Detroitul Europei" ar fi mai aproape de realitate... > Pana atunci Detroitul Europei ramane Slovacia!
:)As vrea intai sa lamurim metafora cu "Detroit-ul Europei" care este absolut hilara si total IMPROPRIU folosita in articol: Detroit este centrul mondial al PRODUCTIEI de automobile de la distanta.In Detroit exista (isi au SEDIUL - World HeadQuters) de peste un secol cei trei mari producatori de automobile americane(The Big Three): General Motors Corportation(#1 in productia MONDIALA de automobile continuu din 1931), Ford si Chrysler(devenit Daimler- Chrysler din 1998). The Big Three produc in zona MILIOANE de autovehicule (de la cars,pick-up trucks,medium trucks, la military vehicles, buses, etc) si impreuna cu alti MII suppliers atrasi in zona, au facut ca denumirea orasului sa devina "The Motor City" sau "The WORLD Motor Capital". Numai General Motors a vandut in ultimii ani, in fiecare an, peste 6- 8 milioane de autovehicule(cu filialele GM Europe, GM Asia-Pacific, GM India, GM Latin-America, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden Australia, Daewoo, Isuzu, deci in afara marcilor americane) si realizat peste 15% din vanzarile mondiale la trucks. Asadar prin comparate europeana nici PE DEPARTE nu poate fi vorba de vreun "european Motor Capital" pe undeva in Romania(nici macar pe la distanta, deocamdata...), cu doar 30 de investitori in 16 ani:), cu huse de scaune, airbag-uri, volane, cablaje auto si cateva mii de angajati si nici nu cred ca va fi vreodata comparativ cu alte zone ale Europei. Din aceasta cauza as fi rugat pe cei de la wallstreet.ro sa fie realisti, sa lasam "poezia" (si laudarosenia fara vreo baza), sa inteleaga ca "printr-o floare(Renault la Pitesti) NU se face primavara", ca mai este FOARTE MULT de facut (si mai putin de laudat "poetic"/"metaforic"), ca in Romania NU exista nici pe departe nici macar sute de suppliers pe orizontala in demeniu citat care sa fie atrasi de PRODUCATORII ROMANI(care lipsesc cu desavarsire - Dacia , este DOAR parte a Renault!)asa cum exista MII in Bavaria sau in Nordul Italiei...Logan-ul nici macar nu se produce NUMAI in Romania ci si in Rusia, Maroc, Columbia si in viitor in India si ...probabil in Iran.Am dat articolul(btw, se vorbeste despre o productie anuala/vanzari de 1 milion..., comparativ cu GM sau producatorii germani:)): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romania_eu_list/message/32296 Pe de alta parte: #1 Aro a ajuns "la fier vechi" prin "grija" unui cubanez-american care dupa ce avu ceva discutii pe la IRS, a ajuns, pe mana cu "niste tovarasi" din fostul guvern, sa distruga o uzina ce inca mai putea fi facuta competitiva. #2 Uzina de la Craiova a pierdut sansa, tot cu fostul regim, sa fie preluata de General Motors odata cu preluarea Daewoo, desi GM planuieste mutarea productiei de small cars si parte din programele mid-size la GM Europe.deci ar fi fost NUMAI bine sa intre si Craiova aici...Si intrebati-va oare de ce NU s-a putut... In ce priveste Ford la Craiova, dati-mi voie sa ma indoiesc avand in vedere criza actuala(cum s-ar spune s-a cam pierdut startul si cu Ford): http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20060122/AUTO01/601220408 Raman la parerea ca de vroim sa numim o regiune ca fiind "Detroit-ul Europei" apoi aceia va fi pentru inca multa vreme Germania cu RENUMITII PRODUCATORI(si retelele de mii de suppliers). Posibil ca discutia sa aiba vreo baza reala daca ar fi sa vorbim despre "detroit-ul estern european", dar deja sintagma devine stangace... P.S.Inca ceva:La Detroit se tine anual(in ianuarie) Detroit North American International AutoShow, ce este considerat cel mai renumit Salon Auto din lume deci unul de referinta.Credeti ca incape vreo comparatie cu salonul auto SIAB de la Bucuresti din Romania? Ma abtin sa ma pronunt aici...;) As mai da un articol care tangential atinge si subiectul cu energia...: Bush Plays Down Bailout Prospects for GM and Ford The Wall Street Journal By Christopher Cooper and John D. McKinnon Jan. 26, 2006 WASHINGTON President Bush said General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. should develop "a product that's relevant" rather than look to Washington for help with their heavy pension obligations, and hinted he would take a dim view of a government bailout of the struggling automakers. In an Oval Office interview, Mr. Bush said that his administration has discussed the development of new fuel technologies with the nation's top two automakers, which might make them more competitive, but that he has had no talks about the companies' finances. Asked if he had spoken to GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner or Ford Chairman and CEO William Clay Ford Jr., Mr. Bush replied: "Not about their balance sheets." He added: "And I haven't been asked by any automobile manufacturer about a bailout." Earlier this week, Ford announced sweeping layoffs and plant closings, amid falling sales and increased foreign competition that have sparked concerns one or both of the automakers may seek bankruptcy protection. Both have denied such plans. But the prospect has fueled speculation that the federal government could face pressure to bail out the companies, as President Carter's administration did in 1979 with $1.5 billion in loan guarantees for Chrysler Corp. Mr. Bush said little to suggest the companies should find comfort in that precedent. "I have been very reluctant I'm mindful of the past where at one point in time, a predecessor of mine was faced with that same dilemma," he said. "I would hope I wouldn't be asked to make that decision." Asked if the government should take any pre-emptive action, he said: "I think it's very important for the market to function." He suggested he felt optimistic about the companies' prospects. The auto industry's struggles could become a big political issue in this year's midterm elections and beyond, especially in Midwestern states such as Michigan and Ohio , where much of the industry's manufacturing base is located. Ford and GM plan to cut at least 60,000 jobs over the next few years, and the fallout could ripple across the auto-supply industry as well, whether or not the companies ever seek bankruptcy protection. While resisting a bailout could cost Republicans support among some voters, it also would serve to shore up their support among those who favor free-market solutions. While neither GM nor Ford has explicitly sought a Chrysler-style bailout, the two automakers have dropped hints they would welcome government help in areas such as coping with rising health-care and pension burdens and the high costs of developing fuel-efficient vehicles. And both are key administration priorities in 2006. Speaking less than a week before his annual State of the Union address, Mr. Bush previewed his push to harness market forces to make health care more affordable by giving consumers more direct control of their care. Among other things, Mr. Bush signaled he wants to significantly expand the Health Savings Account program, under which workers who sign up for special high-deductible insurance are allowed to put away money tax-free to bankroll basic expenditures. In discussing the auto companies' woes, Mr. Bush suggested his sympathies lie more with the workers who are displaced or unsettled by a changing corporate environment, saying his administration would focus on ways to retrain laid-off employees. "This is going to be a very troubling time for workers and their families," Mr. Bush said, adding that companies had an obligation to assist employees they cut loose. On the subject of ballooning pension expenses, which are part of Detroit 's problems, Mr. Bush called on GM, Ford and the airline industry to think twice before backing away from their promises to pay in full. "That's not how the market works and that's not corporate responsibility as I see it," he said. "I'm very firm on seeing to it that this government hold people to account." While neither GM nor Ford has sought to pass on pension obligations, a few airlines have. After filing for bankruptcy protection, UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and US Airways Group Inc. dumped nearly $10 billion in unfunded pension obligations on the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., the federal insurer of private-sector traditional pension plans. Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines, which are currently operating in Chapter 11, have said they haven't decided whether they will ask the court to shift their pension plans to the PBGC. Mr. Bush suggested that one way automakers can make more appealing products is to promote cars using alternative fuels a topic he plans to touch on in his speech next week. He said U.S. automakers could find new market share in the competition to sell so-called flexible-fuel vehicles, which can use gasoline or blends containing such alternative fuels as ethanol. "As these automobile manufacturers compete for market share and use technology to try to get consumers to buy their product, they also will be helping America become less dependent on foreign sources of oil," he said. Mr. Bush's discussion of alternative fuels is likely to boost efforts on Capitol Hill to set targets for reducing U.S. oil consumption, and to start mandating flexible-fuel technology on motor vehicles. He said he has been impressed by the example of Brazil , where alternative auto fuels made from sugar are expected to soon help that country end dependence on imported oil. But Mr. Bush's proposal is likely to focus more on government-sponsored research than expansive new tax breaks for purchase of flex-fuel vehicles, for example. On the health-care front, Mr. Bush will call on Congress to provide more information on providers, including how much they charge, so consumers can be smarter shoppers. "The patient-doctor relationship is a crucial relationship in helping control the costs of medicine," Mr. Bush said. "The more transparent pricing is, and the more opportunities patients have to make decisions in the health-care field, the more likely it is costs will not increase as dramatically as they have in the past." He said he also will push for legislation making it harder to file malpractice lawsuits, which he said are "running up the cost of medicine." Congress has declined to address this issue in the past. Acknowledging that he hasn't always managed to get the Republican- controlled Congress to take on his priorities, Mr. Bush called Washington gridlock "the challenge of the '06 year." He said he would make an effort to draw Democrats into the health-care debate. > Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > interesant, dar n-as paria pe articolul asta desi apreciam > profesionismul unor nume de la "capital".In afara de aglomerarea unor > date concluziile nu prea "rimeaza" cu titlul, iar optimismul > nejustificat este cam umbrit de o fraza cat se poate de realista: > > "Cu modestie putem spune ca, daca n-ar fi existat Renault - compania > franceza care a salvat industria prin preluarea uzinelor din Pitesti - > , situatia ar fi fost astazi ingrijoratoare. Daewoo a dat faliment si > fabrica din Craiova revine la stat, iar Cross Lander n-a reusit sa > faca din uzina de la Campulung furnizorul de masini de teren nici > macar pentru Romania. Malaiezienii de la Pesaka Astana produc > autocamioane la Brasov, dar din fosta fabrica Roman n-au ramas decat > amintirile." > > De curiozitate puteti intra pe site-urile companiilor citate sa > vedeti unde gasiti Romania...inca. > > Si tot de curiozitate stiti la ce nivel se ridica investitiile in > acelasi domeniu in tarile din imediata vecinatate Vestica a Romaniei? > > De apreciat realismul concluziei:"Romania ESTE PE CALE sa constituie > o asemenea platforma, si succesul va depinde foarte mult de modul in > care vom sti sa cream si sa mentinem conditii favorabile. O sa dau un > singur exemplu: invatamantul tehnic a fost OARECUM NEGLIJAT intr-o > perioada din anii '90, ceea ce face ca astazi o serie de companii sa > intampine DIFICULTATI in recrutarea de personal calificat. Situatia > este SIMILARA in cercetare-dezvoltare, domeniu ce a trecut printr- o > faza de disolutie si care cu multa greutate recupereaza acum terenul > pierdut. Avem insa un MOMENT favorabil si trebuie sa-l valorificam > cat mai bine"... > > Ceva totusi nu se intelege din articol: Care e Detroit-ul(World Motor > Capital) Europei?!Come on...Sa fi ajuns Romania "European Motor > Capital" cu doar 2,4 miliarde euro sau unii doar se "imbata cu apa > rece" si metafore in fata realitatilor unui mediu de afaceri inca nu > suficient de atragator in Romania? > > > > --- In [email protected], alexandru calugareanu > wrote: > > > > http://www.wall-street.ro/articol/Companii/10365/Detroit-ul- Europei- > s-a-construit-cu-24-miliarde-euro/ > > > > > > Dan schrieb: > > Pe cand si despre Romania mai multe vesti de acest gen? > > > > > > > > Czechs expect Hyundai to sign car plant deal in Feb > > > > Reuters News > > > > January 18, 2006 > > > > (c) 2006 Reuters Limited > > > > The Czech government is likely to sign a memorandum with > > South Korea's Hyundai Motors in February on the carmaker's > > investment in a new automotive plant, the EU newcomer's > > industry minister said on Wednesday. > > > > Hyundai has said the Czech Republic was the ideal candidate > > to host its planned 1 billion euro ($1.21 billion) factory to > > get the company closer to customers in Europe, but it has yet > > to take a final decision. > > > > > > > > Industry and Trade Minister Milan Urban said a delegation of > > Hyundai officials was expected to visit the Czech Republic > > between Jan. 22 and Jan. 26 to draft the memorandum detailing > > the conditions of the investment. > > > > > > > > "It is a very important document which will define the > > obligations of both sides. I can imagine that the memorandum > > could be signed at a cabinet meeting in Ostrava during > > February," Urban said in a statement. > > > > > > > > Hyundai has led talks with the Czech government about tax > > breaks, subsidies for job creation and other investment > > incentives as it seeks to build its plant in a planned > > eastern industrial zone in Nosovice, near the northeast city > > of Ostrava. > > > > > > > > News of the plan has been followed closely by currency > > traders as its confirmation could lend support to the market. *** sustineti [romania_eu_list] prin 2% din impozitul pe 2005 - detalii la http://www.doilasuta.ro *** Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romania_eu_list/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
