It's sad to hear that the meeting didn't work out and I apologise if my not attending played a part in that.
My reasons for not attending mainly 2 fold: I'm not happy with the public nature in which the meetings are held. Internal meetings are an internal matter and should be held 'offline'. To this point, the main issue I wanted to discuss was sensitive and involved not just reactos' internal operations, but that of other projects too. Therefore, as I said in my previous email, the driver signing issue was no longer on the agenda. Secondly, the meetings seem to have turned into a bit of a joke, for want of a better word. It's basically #reactos-dev with a voting feature. It takes far too long and gets very little done. The only interesting part for me is the GSoC updates, but this is something that can (and probably should) be shared on the ros-dev mailing list anyway. If anyone is truly interested in the cool stuff our GSoC guys are working on, all they need to do is ask, they're all in IRC pretty much 24/7 anyway. I therefore deemed the meeting rather pointless, and I'm a little busy with my own work to sit in IRC for 3-4 hours watching streams of text flow up the screen. Ged. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Finck Sent: 28 July 2011 22:16 To: ReactOS Development List Subject: [ros-dev] July Meeting Minutes Hello all, Today's planned meeting has been postponed to the 25th August (the time of the next regular meeting) based on a voting of the participants present at 19:39 UTC. These were: * Giannis Adamopoulos * Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo * Maciej Bialas * Thomas Faber * Colin Finck * Ziliang Guo * Cameron Gutman * Rafal Harabien * Timo Kreuzer * Matthias Kupfer * Igor Paliychuk * Sylvain Petreolle * Daniel Reimer * Pierre Schweitzer * Samuel Serapion * Olaf Siejka ○ Result: [19:44] <VoteBot> Question: Please vote for a date for postponing this meeting. [19:44] <VoteBot> Answers: [19:44] <VoteBot> Abstention - 7 votes [19:44] <VoteBot> 11th August (in 2 weeks) - 3 votes [19:44] <VoteBot> 25th August (in 4 weeks, regular next meeting) - 6 votes [19:44] <VoteBot> Total number of votes: 16 ○ Main reasons were that the following people were still not present at the time of voting: * Aleksey Bragin (supposed meeting leader and key person in the Arwinss and Release preparation agenda points) * Amine Khaldi (supposed backup meeting leader and key person in the CMake agenda point) * Ged Murphy (key person in the GSoC and Driver Signing agenda points) ○ Unfortunately, nobody has been prepared for this kind of situation, so a lot of time has been wasted and confusing decisions might have been made. ○ Postponing the points also gives Aleksey time to prepare a new Arwinss build and the Build Environment guys (Daniel, me, anybody wants to join?) time to prepare a final CMake version of RosBE, which might be a factor when deciding about doing the migration to CMake. ○ The IRC Server has been closed at 20:03 UTC. To allow the participants to get an unbiased idea about today's meeting, I will post the original IRC log by the server to ros-priv. Would actually like to make it public on ros-dev as well, but will abstain from doing so until Ged's confusion about the openness of our meetings is cleared. If people have already prepared texts for this meeting (status updates, whatever else you wanted to say), please send them to my E-Mail address within the next 3 days and I'll compose a summary out of them, which I will send to ros-dev. If you think that these texts don't just deserve a simple summary, keep them for the next meeting or do whatever you want about them. And finally a personal note: Please keep in mind that it was not an easy decision for me to just close the IRC Server after I believed that main discussions were over. If I had left it running, it would have invalidated the voting (again) and participants would have treated the meeting even more as a joke. By closing it, I obviously received complaints from people who had prepared stuff for this meeting and wanted to revive it. In good hopes, Colin _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list [email protected] http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list [email protected] http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
