EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can
in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using
their free time, and love.
And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is
closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main reason
why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations
(please correct me if i am wrong).
ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer
<daniel.rei...@reactos.org <mailto:daniel.rei...@reactos.org>> wrote:
Hi,
yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right
ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can
hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other
circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become
difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one
case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea,
but as mailing list ^^
P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are
exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example.
Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you
we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what
they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play
babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and
real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who
don't even care about the project, any report by one special person
or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that
we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all
know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but
that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards,
but still a massacre.
I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to
right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop
dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a
freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no
LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement.
https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg
Greetings
Daniel
Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobia...@posteo.de
<mailto:tobia...@posteo.de>:
Hello everybody,
I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to
ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's
proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from
another perspective.
Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to
answer Colin's proposal directly.
I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need
are people feeling responsible to newcomers.
A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal
advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev
since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm
not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been
answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's
hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list.
There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that
nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that
someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but
nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for
some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not
publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels
responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you
could have more developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC
channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in
some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might
be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its
purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of
you being responsible to newcomers.
I hope that I could help.
Tobias
Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a
moderated IRC
channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced
people can
talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related
there, no
topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that
I see a
notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly
have a way to
interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate
questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover,
we don't
maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some
contributors
have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where
students shall
submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers.
How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev
continues to be an
exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the
moderation bit on
#reactos-dev and let everybody talk there.
Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as
people get
too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and
kicked if nothing
else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on
#reactos-dev,
it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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