thanks a ton.  i guess i was thinking too much in sql terms-- i had  
to add a bunch more relationships as rose metadata

> The Manager interface is designed to allow people to think only in  
> terms of
> objects and relationships.  If you think in SQL instead, you just  
> need to
> know what SQL is generated for each Manager param.  In this case,  
> you'd need
> to know that with_objects => [ ... ] causes the table for the class  
> of each
> listed relationship to be LEFT JOINed, with the join conditions  
> pulled from
> the relationship definitions.  After that, it's just a matter of  
> defining
> the right relationships and stringing them together with dots in  
> the right
> places in the Manager call.


That was key.  thanks.  i read through the source, experiemented a  
bit, and got a good feel on the sql that is generated- then i reverse  
engineered my query.  works like a charm.

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