Hello Cindy,
By selling UML CASE Tools for a couple of years
I've seen a lot of companies introducing OO and CASE.
Now after 8 years of OOAD / CASE experience I try
to help customers to improve their development processes
by introducing methods, OO, CASE etc.
As sw developers often still have unrealistic expectations
on what UML and CASE means for SW-Development I enjoy
supporting CASE-customers instead of simply selling UML Tools.
You mention two interesting topics in your mail
1) Quality Bounds
2) Support
First I must say that I like the words : "Quality bounds"
in this context.
I think Rational customers have two problems related
to your topics :
1) Quality bounds.
Example :
I've been wondering who tested the Rose 2001-ClearCase integration.
In Rose 2001 the "File / Save" ! button is ! disabled ! as soon
as the Rose-ClearCase integration is set up. ( You can't save
the model unless you checkout the root controlled unit )
As the "File / Save" button seems to be pretty important
to me, I suppose Rational has pretty wide quality bounds.....
( Defect rose00019248 )
I won't mention all the other quality topics here, but I don't
see any evidence why Rational has "Software Engineering Leadership"
Unfortunately Rational has "Tool selling leadership", but I think
that's something different.
2) Support
Rose may be OK for small projects. If customers have
real big projects, rational-germany employees do NOT want to
get "involved" in the customers problems.
As soon as questions arise about Rose Scalability,
multi-user support etc, Rational Germany is simply not
able to understand and solve customer topics
Together )
I'm pretty sure that Together has better Support AND
Features for Java Development.
I've been talking to TISCON and Togethersoft employees
in the last couple of months. Even if they have a hard time
their solutions are still more valuable than the answers
I get from Rational. So Together is good for design and
Java-implementation work.
Select )
I'm convinced that Select Enterprise 6.x is much more
stable and scalable. Select Enterprise
http://www.princetonsoftech.com/products/enterprise.asp
can handle huge projects with multiple analysts/designers
working WITHOUT modeling data losses.
So Select is good platform for large teams doing OOAD
in real ( large ) projects.
For Real Time environments see http://www.artisansw.com
based on the same Tool-architecture.
My two ( or three ) cents...
Doei !
Henk Rippen
Independant OOAD / CASE Consultant
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rippen.de
PS :
Please remove me from all Rational Lists
Rational-MajorDomo's " unsubscribe * " doesn't work ( either )
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Van Epps, Cindy
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. April 2001 03:51
> An: 'Damian Dixon'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: RE: (ROSE) Rose vs Select vs Together
>
>
>
> Hi Damian,
> Having been a development manager for a tool that formerly competed in the
> visual modeling market, I can give you advice on one level.
> Leading vendors
> in a market watch their competitors very closely (maybe too closely) and a
> feature-by-feature comparison will always have a different
> outcome after the
> next version of one of the products. If a competitor's tool has a
> capability that developers or other modelers love, you can bet it
> will be in
> all of tools as fast as development teams can get it there (within quality
> bounds, of course).
>
> What people overlook in tool comparisons often is the company behind the
> tool, the infrastructure for support of users and their needs and
> integrations with other tools. Platinum created a market-leading visual
> modeling tool which died on the vine due to lack of the owning company's
> support of the tool. Rational became the market leader largely because of
> their support of customers and the closeness to customers that led to tool
> improvements.
>
> Features are important, but they are not the only thing to consider.
>
> Just my opinion,
> cve
>
> Cindy VanEpps
> Software Engineering Specialist
> Rational Software
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 281.648.7996
> http://www.rational.com
>
> Rational User Conference 2001 * July 22 - 26, 2001
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damian Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:17 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: (ROSE) Rose vs Select vs Together
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> While the list is discussing Together, could I suggest a
> broader discussion.
>
> I am currently looking at a replacement for Rose and I am
> looking at both Together and Select and would like to know
> peoples experience of Select as well :>
>
> One of the main criteria I am looking for is the ability
> of a tool to read Rose mdl files. We just have too many
> on going Rose designs.
>
> I am also looking for:
>
> o Stable design tool (Rose 2001 is too buggy, Rose has cost
> my project this year ~£7000 in lost time, we have had to
> go back to 2000e).
> o Better way for documenting (being able to use more then
> just text, and to be able to specify additional sections
> within a textual description).
> o Better documentation generation (yes we have SODA, but I've
> gone for modifying the reportgen_plus script).
> o Workable reverse engineering.
> o Ability to generate code from state diagrams.
> o Easier to use GUI (less mouse clicks and more sensible layout).
> o Better team support.
>
> Please don't limit your comments to Rose, Select and Together
> as I know there are other tools out there as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing peoples comments and suggestions...
>
> Regards,
> Damian
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> -----------------------
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> ODS Design Authority
> Senior Software Development Engineer
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>
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