< curmudgeonly position >

> Do you therefore feel that APNIC's discrete AS0 TAL is not a good
> long-term model? We deliberately went opt-in, and said so.

you rir folk seem to breed tals like flies.  i still think i should need
one tal, the iana's.

and will all rirs issue an as0 for 10/8?  nice.  at least, if i use net
10 internally, my local root ca's roas for it will override your 5 or
whatever as0 roas.

> We proposed this during initial deployment to ensure we had a
> make-before-break outcome for relying parties, but it does reduce
> uptake (during the test period at best <100 people have participated)

perhaps because ops seem disinclined to complex tal management.

> If we include the AS0 under the mainline TAL, then this is 'opt out'
> behaviour for RP's (they would have to do conscious work e.g. locally
> managed SLURM) to re-validate prefixes, rather than opt-in.

back to an unauthenticated slurm, eh?

randy, who also did not like or use the dnssec dlv hack

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