Dear Nick,

On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 05:59:14PM +0000, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Job Snijders wrote on 25/02/2025 16:23:
> > Without an (automated) revocation mechanism, such dangling delegations could
> > exist in perpetuity, wasting resources of all the validators on this planet.
> 
> garbage collection is good engineering.
> 
> Couple of suggestions for the proposal:
> 
> >     certificate shall be revoked by the RIPE NCC. RIPE NCC shall
> >     make reasonable efforts to discover new Manifests, for example,
> >     by corroborating information from multiple vantage points. After
> 
> Can I suggest removing the "for example [...]" bit? It's better for policy
> to state the principles of what needs to be done rather than dabbling in
> procedure.

I personally think it is helpful for both the community and RIPE NCC to have
an inkling of an idea what 'reasonable efforts' might constitute, to shape
expectations.

> Secondly in terms of timelines, the NCC will have some form of communication
> details for the CAs, as part of setting them up in the first place. I'd
> suggest a graduated approach to this:
> 
> 1. notification after X months of fresh manifest non-availability
> 2. warning after Y months
> 3. removal after Z months
> 
> If delegation is removed without warnings, this will invite people to
> complain.

Sure, but does that need to be part of the policy?

What's the difference between step 1 and step 2 in your listing?

What if the notification emails can't be delivered, should that delay the
revocation?

Kind regards,

Job
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