Dan,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Templin, Fred L
>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:18 PM
>To: Dan Jen
>Cc: RRG
>Subject: Re: [rrg] NTP and first packet delivery
>
>Dan,
>
>OK to what you said, but I made a couple of conceptual leaps
>in my last message that might bear a bit more discussion.
>
>As can be told by most of my messages to this list, I am
>fixated on IPv6 as the inner protocol and IPv4 as the outer
>protocol. That said, when I said that the ITR and ETR would
>appear as on-link neighbors, what I meant was that the ETR
>(on receipt of a packet with inner_src=RLOC(ITR)) can

I meant "outer_src=RLOC(ITR)"; not "inner_src".

>construct an IPv6 link-local ISATAP address of the form:
>
>  fe80::0200:5efe:RLOC(ITR)
>
>and use it as the destination address of an IPv6 ND message
>such as an RS/RA. The encapsulated ND message would have:
>
>inner_src=fe80::0200:5efe:RLOC(ETR) inner_dst=fe80::0200:5efe:RLOC(ITR)
>outer_src=RLOC(ETR)                 outer_dst=RLOC(ITR)
>
>So, the ITR and ETR get to do an IPv6 RS/RA exchange with
>each other over the ISATAP link (i.e., the Internet DFZ)
>and exchange nice information like route information options
>useful for populating the FIB. If they are smart about it,
>they can even arrange to use SEND with CGAs so they can each
>know they are talking to the correct neighbors. Finally, if
>the DM acts as an IPv6 ND proxy, the ITR could even send an
>RA as its first packet out to the ETR (via the DM) so the
>ETR can get an early start on populating its FIB.

Let's forget the bit about "IPv6 ND proxy" for now; I'm
not seeing the immediate functional value to warrant the
added complexity. Everything else is still good, though.

Fred
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>
>This just to give a bit more insight as to my thought process.
>
>Thanks - Fred
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>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dan Jen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:55 PM
>>To: Templin, Fred L
>>Cc: Michael R Meisel; RRG
>>Subject: RE: [rrg] NTP and first packet delivery
>>
>>Hi Fred,
>>
>>On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 19:35 -0800, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>>> So, the packet coming in to the DM would have:
>>>
>>>   inner_src=EID(A)         inner_dst=EID(B)
>>>   outer_src=RLOC(ITR)      outer_dst=RLOC(DM)
>>>
>>> and (after the DM does the mapping lookup) the packet coming
>>> out of the DM would have:
>>>
>>>   inner_src=EID(A)         inner_dst=EID(B)
>>>   outer_src=RLOC(ITR)      outer_src=RLOC(ETR)
>>>
>>> In this way, the DM is "off-link" from the viewpoint of the
>>> ETR, and the ETR gets to perform link-scoped operations (e.g.,
>>> IPv6 ND) with the ITR as if it were an on-link neighbor. Is
>>> this what you had in mind?
>>>
>>
>>Yes it is, for the reasons you stated.  However our current APT design
>>allows TRs to communicate with the default mappers when necessary(for
>>failure handling and such).  Our recent focus on an incrementally
>>deployable design from evolutionary principles may cause us to
>>re-examine these choices though.
>>
>>> The alternative is for the DM to decapsulate, perform the
>>> mapping, then re-encapsulate while injecting its RLOC as
>>> the outer_src in the transaction, which makes it such that
>>> the ITR is off-link from the viewpoint of the ETR - not
>>> so good for link-scoped operations.
>>>
>>> I would prefer option A, if that is OK with you.
>>
>>Very okay, unless we discover good arguments to do otherwise.  Thanks
>>for putting thought into this!
>>
>>
>>Dan
>
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