HIP has been mentioned, but no-one seems to be
              proposing it as a scalable routing solution.

I think Pekka observed that this wasn't even a goal. (My quick answer
is that it only becomes a routing solution if it solves the same
mapping problem that strategy A generates.)

I don't understand your comment, but if the HIP proponents do not see
it as a solution to the routing scaling problem, then unless someone
on the RRG feels strongly that it is, then HIP is out of scope for
discussion and for matching against any of Bill's architectures.

To clarify what I have already stated: As far as I can see, HIP was never meant to be a solution to the RRG problem (HIP started in 1999, RRG around 2006 IIRC). HIP is an architectural change, and its official IETF status is, if I understand correctly, "ongoing experiment". People are encouraged to run HIP in the Internet and report any experiences to the HIP-RG. There are open source implementations for Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, and Mac OS X.

As a protocol and architecture, HIP is basically ready; it has been so for 1-2 years now. There are a few open loops, such as the details of NAT traversals, but they are gradually being closed. There has also been some discussions on reopening the discussion of whether it should re-chartered for standards track, but I have only heard rumours, not been active myself.

What comes to HIP and RRG, I do believe that HIP *could* help in solving the RRG problem. It *could* form a core for what people now call "Strategy B" solutions, and a HIP-proxy based solution *could* be deployed as a "Strategy A" solution. I don't know the details of LISP, but the recent discussion between Dino and me seem to indicate that HIP proxy and LISP xTRs are functionally close enough so that a HIP proxy could be "plugged in" to the LISP architecture, yielding a "Strategy A" HIP-based network-level solution that could eventually lead to full HIP deployment at all hosts, which *could* lead to an architecture where renumbering is never needed due to full transparent support of multiple IP addresses at all hosts.

But, obviously, developing a HIP-based RRG solution would require work. Few if any HIP folks are active at the RRG, AFAIK. So, there doesn't seem to be anyone who would be interested enough to invest the time and effort. (For example, I don't normally have enough of time to browse the RRG ML...)

--Pekka

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