On 2009-02-17 18:51, Tony Li wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> 
> |> The argument that took place between the IETF and network 
> |operators when
> |> shim6 was recommended.
> |
> |SHIM6 is in development, so I don't think it's ever been 
> |recommended yet,
> |and anyway it's not the RRG's job to decide. 
> 
> 
> I distinctly recall it being recommended at a NANOG long ago and the ensuing
> broohaha.

Advocated, certainly. Brouhaha, certainly. But every still shim6 document still
contains the words "valid for a maximum of six months" and it isn't even
aimed at ISPs anyway.

> 
> |So can we just
> |say that solutions above the network layer (including shim6, sctp
> |and multipath transport) are simply out of scope: the RRG has decided
> |not to work on them. Anything else is speculation.
> 
> 
> Except that that's not exactly true.  The RRG has not exactly declared them
> out of scope.  So far, solutions that are above the networking layer require
> per-host renumbering, and we have consensus that those solutions are not
> acceptable.  If someone figured out an architecture (possibly combining
> automated renumbering technology) that fixed things above the network layer
> in an acceptable fashion, we would definitely consider it.

Right. So the wording needs to be more subtle.

   Brian
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