On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> { You'd have to negotiate with too many different parties to carry your
> { prefixes. Having your ISP negotiate with it's neighbors such that it's
> { neighbors will carry the negotiations forward to their neighbors
> { yields precisely the system we have today, which brings us full circle
> { to the problem we're trying to solve.
>
> [phil] I don't think it's necessary to " carry the negotiations forward".
> Negotiating with your neighbours is enough - they then negotiate with their
> neighbours and so on. After all, when I buy apples I have a contract with the
> greengrocer or supermarket; the greengrocer has a contract with a wholesaler;
> the wholesaler has a contract with the farmer.
Hi Phil,
If you've inserted a subtlety here, it escapes me. You've described
the status quo in which experience shows that the result is all DFZ
routes are carried by all DFZ routers.
> { This does not empower me as an individual; quite the opposite, I'm
> { obstructed from consuming the resource for something as trite as my
> { personal hobbies.
>
> [phil] maybe we have a philosophical difference here. it seems to me a good
> architectural goal for a protocol to allow costs to be allocated to those
> that cause them, without having to distort/break the protocol.
Agreed in principle.
One fly in the ointment is that there is no source provider from which
the cost can flow. If I want a particular kind of apple, the costs
flow from the grower of that apple out through however many middlemen
and transport processes it takes to get that apple to me.
Costs in Internet transport are radically different; they flow from a
loose cabal of middlemen (the tier 1 backbones) out towards both the
suppliers and the consumers. We've found a mechanism that more or less
successfully assigns bandwidth costs in this economic architecture
(transit and peering) but what mechanism could assign the cost of
routing slots?
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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