Hi Heiner,

you might find Portland and VL2 research studies interesting though
these are not related to Internet scalability - instead trying to
create better scalability for very large L2 networks. It seems that
both proposals are influenced by locator/identifier studies - one is
network centric and the other is host centric.

http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~vahdat/papers/portland-sigcomm09.pdf
http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=80693

-- patte

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:21 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Toni,
> I think locator means something very specific inside a specific protocol
> (which is LISP). It is not used in other architectures like OSPF, BGP. My
> general understanding of a network is that it consists of nodes and links
> which have identifiers and attributes. A nodal attribute may be its
> reachability info but as well some geo-location information which can both
> be used for determining the next hop (as is done by OSPF,BGP resp. would be
> done by TARA). So there is no stringent need for a locator, its only
> model-specific.
> I write this to leash myself, because in a first second I intended to write
> about "mobile locators".
>
> Well, on the LISP-mailinglist the issue "mobile node" was raised (and then
> forgotten) which I think is a very important aspect: You may treat it like
> an exotic service, but you may also treat it as if every single node is
> potentially mobile. However then there is no doubt: you have to have a
> stable anchor for mastering the relative distances which can only be the
> grid of the geographical coordinates.
>
> But those are just imaginary locators (no one has ever stumbled over these
> longitude and/or latitude ropes:-) and don't need to be sent messages from
> and to- neither with nor without checksum.
> Heiner
>
>
>
> In einer eMail vom 24.08.2009 07:37:48 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
> [email protected]:
>
> Noel, Scott, Heiner, thank you for engaging.
>
> Scott Brim wrote:
>> Your local router doesn't have to solve this problem.  It's
>> end-to-end,
>
> So should an end be engaged with remote end's local link interfaces, like
> sending packets with destination an interface locator, and why?
>
>> and each of those flows may have a different solution.
>> Some like the weather map may be solved in the application.
>
> If a problem is left intact in the routing, multiple working groups are
> needed to solve its effects.
>
>> You might
>> find this interesting:
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/multipathtcp/current/maillist.html
>>
>> (for multipath SCTP see the TSVarea list)
>
> Toni Stoev wrote:
>> "Why should it be simple when it can be complex?" -- Folklore
>>
>> You are reading your email off your portable computer and you have a
>> constantly updated weather map on your desktop. You may be chatting through
>> an instant messaging service and may be listening to live-streamed audio,
>> and may start talking on the computer videophone.
>> You move to a different room, so you unplug your network cable, and you
>> know a wireless link will keep those communications running.
>
> That is the easy case. What if you are in a public place and get public
> globally routable locators, should the locators be bound to interfaces and
> should the remote servers take care therefor of your local connectivity?
>
>> Your local router has to realize the situation and stop transmitting
>> communications packets to the cable interface and start transmitting them to
>> the computer's wireless interface, and any broken sessions have to be
>> re-established with remote servers.
>> You are the same person using the same network services on your same
>> computer through your same router, but you experience service slowdown or
>> even need to reinitiate some of the communications. Why?
>>
>> (Re)searcher Toni
>
> The same
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