On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Robin Whittle wrote: > Hello Heiner, > > Thanks for your reply, in which you wrote: > >> Robin, >> >> I share your opinion about documenting design goals and taxonomy. I >> can imagine that getting these drafts to some end isn't work anyone >> likes to do. Who will read them later? >> > I figure people will read it. The questions we are tackling will come > up in the future, even if nothing is done with LISP, Ivip, IRON, ILNP > or whatever for five or ten years.
Based on what I have seen in the past, I agree here. > ...... >> By reading your referenced former emails about the terms and >> pilosophies of CES versus CEE I halted where you wrote that CEE is >> more DNS-based (some how). > > I don't recall making any such statement - nor do I know what it would > mean. 1/ The terms CES versus CEE came from a HOTNET paper, "Towards A Future Internet Architecture: Arguments for Separating Edges from Transit Core" ACM Workshop on Hot Topics in Networks (HotNets), October 2008 http://conferences.sigcomm.org/hotnets/2008/papers/18.pdf I do not think "DNS-based" or not is part of the CEE concept. 2/ I recall that long time ago I signed up to help a taxonomy draft. Scott Brim and I even produced a couple versions (predated the above mentioned paper). Although I've stepped down from RRG, I feel an obligation to help finish this piece. Let me first dig out the old draft by Scott and me. Then look over the mailing list discussion (if Robin has pointers at hand, that'd be very helpful than going through all email archive:) I chatted with Scott about this taxonomy draft at Maastricht IETF. Scott, wonder if your busy period is over and have some cycles for this now. >> TARA would take advantage of either philosophy: A (TARA-)locator would >> be retrieved in addition to the destination IP address from DNS, >> however this locator might be out-of-date e.g. because of roaming. The >> wrong locator however may still have some value: The roaming host >> might still be within the same geopatch or within some neighboring >> geopatch and by means of a well-scoped broadcast message (that starts >> from the ETR denoted by the wrong locator, the right ETR might be >> searched and determined. >> >> Will say: TARA bridges this kind of opposition (between CES and CEE). > > You have been referring to TARA for years now, as if it is a real > proposal. You believe you understand it, but as far as I know, no-one > else does. Other people have documented their proposals to the point > where interested folks can understand them. You have not done this - > you just keep referring to TARA as if it is substantial and that RRG > people should consider it a real alternative. But I am sure none of > us have a concrete clue what TARA involves. I think we only know it > by your frequent analogies to other systems, such as the road system > - which I and I guess other people cannot translate into anything > practical and meaningful regarding routers and packets. > > - Robin > _______________________________________________ > rrg mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/rrg _______________________________________________ rrg mailing list [email protected] http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/rrg
