On 2008-01-09 10:24, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Hi Brian,
> directly from BGP4 collapse
Maybe I have missed some threads on RRG but this is first time I see
such term about "BGP4 collapsing". Why it this going to collapse ? What
elements of BGP4 are going to collapse ? What would make it's
replacement not to collapse ? I am just trying to understand your line
of thinking in regards of BGP4 collapsing ....
Well, we're here because of the concern that BGP4 updates will become
prohibitive as multihoming expands, aren't we?
Brian
In BGP4 we have a lot of machinery build into the protocol for it not to
collapse. Most of them can be just configured in most of the shipping &
deployed implementation of BGP. Introducing the explicit indirection in
what we have today would make such configuration much easier.
Also ... are you saying that any proposal (like APT) which uses proven
BGP4 for propagating mapping information will collapse while other
proposals will last really long just because they do not use BGP4 ?
Thx,
R.
Robert,
On 2008-01-08 22:06, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Hi Eliot,
I agree with you. If ETR/ITR function will not be automatic and
transparent to end sites running on a very lowest end boxes I think
any of the solutions discussed here will completely fail deployment
wise.
That really depends on whether you expect the ETRs to be deployed by
ISPs on behalf of SMB customers, or whether you expect the SMB customers
to buy them at the supermarket. Since it's the ISPs that will suffer
directly from BGP4 collapse, I think the economic incentive will
apply to the ISPs.
Brian
Cheers,
R.
Brian,
> That appears to me to be a very big "if" except for large and
> sophisticated customers; it seems to me that the large majority
> of medium size sites will be very unlikely to run an ETR, even if
> they are connected to more than one ISP.
I think this depends on the complexity of running one. If it adds no
operational complexity, why not have them in a Linksys box?
Eliot
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