On 16 Sep 2008, at 20:05, David Chelimsky wrote:

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Martin Streicher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

3/ Has any documented how to run the debugger via rspec to help track down
errors?

We TDD/BDD/Agile practitioners aren't supposed to use a debugger,

Please pay no attention to that sort of bullshit :)

The idea is that TDD, practiced with discipline, should make you
depend less on a debugger. This is a good thing since debugging time
is impossible to estimate. But the idea that you're not supposed to
use a debugger is religious hog-wash.

Indeed - which i counter with: i'm still pre proper tdd enough that it's _faster_ than writing tests that i know are valid and making my code bend entirely around it. It's a fine mesh of both, i think. You are right about it being hard to estimate - but i think that estimation is as much to do with general experience as it is with the type of task: a well experienced hacker will know to set aside a number of hours for a difficult task (spiking) if they're not sure of the full requirement or the right approach.

-james
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