On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:53 AM, James Byrne <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

David Chelimsky wrote:


I explained my position in another post in this thread, and I look
forward to your *respectful* responses to those thoughts.

I regret if my initial observation was taken as anything other than
that, an observation. One might consider it the textual equivalent to a
raised eyebrow, no more.  Being told to maintain my own fork of a
project was not a response that I either expected or thought warranted.

Notwithstanding the heat that this issue appears to have raised, I
assure you that I bear no ill will towards any. I simply believe that
changes which introduce breakage to previously working code should be
avoided wherever possible.  This did not seem to me condescending,
abrasive, or particularly controversial.  Evidently I am wrong.

Cool. Now we can talk. For the record, the thing that struck me as patronizing was "You are not seriously ... simply to tidy up the syntax" which makes assumptions about the underlying motivations and positions your issues as more important than mine, or anybody else's for that matter. There is a lot more to all of this than meets the eye. RSpec is a tool, but it is also a community project, which means it serves many masters and has to balance many forces.

As for the point you make about avoiding compatbility breaking changes, I agree that that carries some weight, but it is not the only concern.

One of the biggest problems rspec suffers as a community project is barrier to entry for contributors based on a public perception that rspec is bloated and difficult to understand. So I care about bloat, and this particular issue is about that as much as it is about syntax.

I have more to add, but I'm typing on my phone and my other fingers are beginning to get jealous of my thumbs. More later.

David



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