On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 1:57 PM Brian E Carpenter <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Interested, yes, but not if you do it during Austrian working hours...
>
> Re draft-rescorla-rfc-jit, I'm all for an RFC12345.1 model but it has to
> come with an improved errata process; I view that as a single package.
>

Hi Brian,

Do you think you could elaborate a bit on what you would want to see in an
improved errata process? I have my own ideas, of course, but I'm curious
about yours.

-Ekr


> Regards/Ngā mihi
>     Brian
>
> On 19-May-26 03:31, Eliot Lear wrote:
> > Are others interested? We can do it virtual if that's more convenient.
> >
> > Eliot
> >
> > On 18.05.2026 16:39, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 7:21 AM Eliot Lear <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     On 18.05.2026 14:42, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >>>     As I said, i don't think this is addressing the primary problems
> with
> >>>     mapping specifications onto RFCs, which are much more about
> >>>     the ability to progressively revise than imposing some sort of
> >>>     meta-structure.
> >>
> >>     I'd like to see us focus on that ability to progressively revise
> specifications.  Is that something we might want to grab a room to discuss
> in Vienna?  I'm thinking about the following:
> >>
> >> I won't be in Vienna, but might be able to call in.
> >>
> >>       * What are the process limits?
> >>       * What are the tooling limits?
> >>       * Are the requirements of all levels of the stack the same?
> >>       * Related, what are the necessary interoperability requirements?
> >>
> >> I think there are actually a number of related issues:
> >>
> >> - Non-semantic changes (editorial issues, errata, etc.)?
> >> - Semantic changes that aren't really new versions (e.g., RFC 8446-bis,
> which is largely a clarification of 8446, but does in fact contain new
> normative text)?
> >> - New versions
> >>
> >> My put for non-semantic changes is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rescorla-rfc-jit/. I suspect we'd
> need different processes for the other two.
> >>
> >> -Ekr
> >>
> >>     What I would like NOT to do would be to create the IETF version of
> the NPM/Pypi dependency mess.
> >>
> >>     Even if we keep the process the same, can we improve other aspects,
> like how readers view errata or evolutions of works like TLS.  We've got
> another one coming: TEAPv2.  We don't need to rewrite *all* of TEAP, but
> rather do some incremental changes.
> >>
> >>     Thoughts?
> >>
> >>     Eliot
> >>
> >
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