Agreed. This is why I spent a week with cpan2rpm and built packages for both openSuSE (which we're transitioning to) and CentOS.
On 3/11/10 11:21 AM, "Wes Modes" <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, sounds like you aren't a long term fan of Fedora, RHEL, or CentOS, > so I'm guessing yum feels like an inconvenience to you, especially when > it seems to be getting in the way of your desired install. > > I've been a sysadmin for 20 years and I've never been a fan of the make > 'n' break style of system administration. There is no way I could > manage a score of machines, many with subtly different hardware, if I > had to build every package the old way. As it is, I can spend a few > hours monthly updating the OS and all installed software on all of our > machines, with a simple "yum -y update" > > In my opinion, package managers like apt-get and yum are some of the > best things to happen to OS in a very long time. Having installs > tracked and managed by package managers keeps complicated OSs and their > installed software up-to-date, eases system administration (especially > as the server to sysadmin ratio increases), increases scalability, > increases sysadmin efficiency, and creates standards for software > manufacturers. > > If as a conservative sysadmin you prefer to operate well-back from the > bleeding edge anyway, the small trade-off in control is a small price to > pay. > > It is hardly the package manager's fault if a software manufacturer such > as Best Practical and its user community fail to create a package for > the latest software. Compare that to software whose RPMs are kept > relatively up-to-date. > > Wes > > On 11/2/2010 3:49 PM, Paul wrote: >> On 11/02/2010 02:19 PM, Wes Modes wrote: >>> Hello, I have been struggling with attempts to install RT3.8 via RPMs. >>> >>> I know it is perfectly possible to install RT3.8 using the BP install >>> scripts and docs, but I'd prefer to do it through yum for system >>> sustainability, ease of updates and upgrades, etc. >> ... >>> If I can't resolve this, I will just forget about RT3.8 and stick with >>> RT3.6 of which there is a well-behaved RPM already in the EPEL repo. >>> >>> Wes >>> >> I'm currently going through a RT move from freebsd to rhel5 (long story, >> would rather stay with freebsd but don't have a choice here) and have >> found all kinds of annoying difficulties with yum (or, rather, the >> packages available.) When I realized that I was trying to stick with yum >> for ease of upgrades when yum was preventing me from easily keeping up >> to date, life got a lot easier. >> >> In the end I just let cpan install what it could and used yum for the >> things that gave me trouble in cpan. Using RT's configure and make >> targets is a lot easier and much more maintainable than having to roll >> my own rpm just to do it the yum way. >> >> Being stuck with an old version of the software in the name of easy >> upgrades didn't make sense to me. >> >> Cheers, >> Paul -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: (650) 704-6633 Office: (408) 240-1239
