In a message dated 4/1/2004 9:29:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > Jobu, > > If WMD had been found, you and all like you would have found some other > reason to bitch. > > Slef E. (The *E* stands for STFU.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:23 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - "Was the war in Iraq worth it?" > > > : Nice Hallmark card you present here. Touches on all the right emotions.... > : > : And what this man says may be true, I'm not there and according to him, he > : is. He comments on how much better things are in general and that all the > : violence is concentrated in a small area. Does that make the rest of the > : country appear safer then? The violence of 911 was concentrated to an area > : of a few city blocks, but I don't know if the remainder if the US is safer > : now. > : > : Assuming he's correct in all he says, I can find only one underlying > thread > : to his comments that makes me take a second look. Here's the quote needed > to > : discuss: "Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now > than > : they were before.". > : > : Ok. Fine THEY are better off than before. WTF????? I thought we were going > : to war to find WMD. Isn't that what Dubya told us? Isn't that what Powell > : repeated on TV many times? Wasn't the threat of nuclear, biological and > : chemical weapons the reasons we loaded up CNN, Fox and PBS to cover the > : invasion and to record the discovery of stock piles of WMD???? We were > told > : that Saddam had all these weapons and they were pointed towards us and > hence > : the greatest military in the world took on an army whose most advanced > : weapons involved a potato gun and a modified Toyota pick-up. > : > : And we beat the daylights out of them. Good for us. And the liberation > : began. I'm sorry, the occupation began. After searching high and low (and > : under coffee tables), no WMD were found. So, for damage control the spin > : goes that Saddam was a bad man and should have been removed because of the > : way he treats his people. Excuse me, that is a little different than the > US > : being threaten by nuclear weapons. > : > : I could give a rat's arse about how much better off they are. I'm not > : in-sensitive, I just don't care. The war was not about making them all > Ward > : and June Cleaver. The war was to stop a dictator from using his WMD to > kill > : us. We spent billions of dollars to destroy the country and prolly twice > as > : much to re-build it. Oh, THAT makes sense. So all these folks can live a > : better life. > : > : Touching. But what about the millions of people in this country (Legally) > : who don't have enough to eat, clothes to wear and soccer balls to play > : with???? I wonder how much good could have been done in this country with > : $200 billion? > : > : So, according to John Matthews, the war was worth it because the people of > : Iraq are out from under the terrible ruler Saddam. Then, if that is the > : pre-requisite for invading the countries of the world, I think Time > magazine > : or one like it has ranked the world's worst rulers with respect to how the > : people of the country are treated. I better get a copy so I can send it to > : the next Prez. No need in wasting valuable time and energy trying to > figure > : out where to invade next when the list has already been compiled. > : > : I think one of the rulers towards the top lives in Africa. Will the > embedded > : reporters need to get their passports renewed first??? > : > : And if John does indeed like being pro-active instead of re-active, tell > him > : that North Korea is on Line 1 and the clock is ticking........ > : > : -----Original Message----- > : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > : Behalf Of Tim Boozer > : Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:26 PM > : To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > : Subject: [RollTideFan] NON Tide - "Was the war in Iraq worth it?" > : > : >From the Orlando Sentinel... > : > : > : > : FRIDAY FORUM > : Today's topic: Was the war in Iraq worth it? > : > : By John Matthews | My Word > : Posted March 26, 2004 > : > : Was the war in Iraq worth it? > : > : It depends on whom you ask. > : > : I'm a soldier, not a politician. This is from my perspective as someone > who > : spent the last 12 months with his boots on the ground in Iraq. > : > : If you were to ask an American soldier's parent or family member who has > : lost a son, daughter, father or sister over there, then of course the war > : was not worth it. I can't imagine their pain and sorrow. My heart goes out > : to them. > : > : If you were to ask an Iraqi parent or other family member who has gained > : back a son, daughter, father or sister from having to serve and die under > : Saddam's army or "service" his henchmen's wants and perversions, and now > has > : their family whole again with a chance to live and pursue happiness, then, > : of course, the war was worth it. > : > : Wars are like that. You don't win a war. What I'd hope you'd understand is > : that this isn't about winning. It's about doing what is right. > : > : This war was worth it. I was a truck battalion XO and had more that 1,500 > : brave and competent soldiers traveling the entire north/south highways in > : Iraq. Think of driving from Miami to Savannah every day, every week for a > : year, with 40 pounds of gear and 130-degree heat during the summer. > : > : You feel and see everything in these convoys. Good and bad. Recently I > : traveled to an orphanage in Nasiriyah, the Iraqi town where Jessica > Lynch's > : team were ambushed. It is a different town now. I traded cigars with some > of > : the local police force, played patty-cake with the kids, showed off > pictures > : of my family to the local teens who insisted that I allow them to marry my > : teenage daughter. We played a game of soccer (soldiers against kids; we > : lost). > : > : Folks, take a deep breath, they're better off over there now than they > were > : before. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is the truth. > : > : Their newfound freedom shows and multiplies every day. Shops are selling > us > : colas, ice, flags and other items. Families get to keep their crops, > herds, > : water and electricity instead of Saddam taking a percentage. We've got > their > : electric and sewage running decades better than it used to. The insurgents > : blow it up to promote "instability." Kids are going to new schools and > : playing soccer instead of throwing rocks at convoys or learning how to > turn > : a coke can into an improvised explosive device. They are interested in us > : and we are interested in them. Bottom line, rubber meeting the road and > all > : that . . . honest. > : > : That Miami-to-Savannah trip I mentioned earlier: Most of the ambushes are > : occurring only in an area the size of Jacksonville. The media -- and > : therefore, YOU -- are focusing on the tree instead of the forest. > : > : >From what I've seen in the papers and on cable, you'd think that we've > made > : no progress over there at all and blame politicians. But this isn't > politics > : to those Iraqi survivors or my soldiers. > : > : We have made progress by leaps and bounds. There are setbacks and > : finger-pointing at levels way above my pay grade, but in the end Iraq is > : better off. The Iraqi minister of tourism isn't getting too many calls, > but > : it'll happen. If "Friday Forum" is still around in 10 years, look for my > : letter. > : > : The Middle East has been given a wake-up call: We'll bring the fight to > you, > : to protect our freedom and our way of life. > : > : Give me proactive over re-active any day of the week. I don't want to be > : sitting in my office building in Orlando saying, "Hey, that plane's flying > : kind of low . . . ." > : > : John Matthews, a major in the Army Reserves, lives in Clermont. > : > : > : ______________________________________________________ > : RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > : > : "Welcome to RollTideFan! 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