Hi,

While I agree that the echo reply is not needed to bootstrap BFD, and that the 
BFD Disc TLV is not needed in the reply, doing this doesn’t break anything. So 
I don’t see the proposed changes as being necessary.

Does anyone remember why RFC5884  has the echo reply, was it to potentially 
save an echo request from egress for bidirectional case?

Also, if we do go ahead with the proposed changes in this draft, we’ll have to 
fix this errata<https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5085>.

Regards,
Reshad (speaking as individual contributor).

From: Rtg-bfd <rtg-bfd-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Mirsky 
<gregimir...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, October 20, 2017 at 4:19 PM
To: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpign...@cisco.com>
Cc: "m...@ietf.org" <m...@ietf.org>, "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [mpls] New Version Notification for 
draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify-00.txt

Hi Carlos,
thank you for taking interest in the proposal, much appreciated. Please find my 
notes in-line and tagged GIM>>.

Regards,
Greg

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) 
<cpign...@cisco.com<mailto:cpign...@cisco.com>> wrote:
Greg,

This document seems to say “use “Do not Reply” reply mode, and even if you 
reply do not use the BFD Disc TLV, because it is not used.
GIM>> To be precise it says "SHOULD use "Do not Reply" thus preserving 
compliance of implementations that do otherwise.

Wouldn’t it be simpler to say “follow RFC 8029, and the ingress does not care 
about the BFD Disc TLV in the reply”? This would not suddenly make uncompliant 
existing implementations, potentially.
GIM>> I agree that normative language on handling echo reply is bit 
restrictive. My goal is to have good discussion and see what others think.

Also I wonder if this should be bfd-mpls instead of mpls-bfd, given where RFC 
5884 was advanced.
GIM>> Probably it should be the way you've suggested. Hope it is not a big 
problem for individual draft.

Thanks,

—
Carlos Pignataro, car...@cisco.com<mailto:car...@cisco.com>

“Sometimes I use big words that I do not fully understand, to make myself sound 
more photosynthesis."

On Oct 18, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Greg Mirsky 
<gregimir...@gmail.com<mailto:gregimir...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear All,
this new document proposes clarification of two questions brought up in course 
of recent discussion of RFC 5884:

  *   use of Return mode values in bootstrapping BFD session echo request;
  *   inclusion of BFD Discriminator TLV in echo response to the bootstrapping 
echo request.
Your comments, questions are always welcome and greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Greg

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Subject: New Version Notification for 
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Name:           draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify
Revision:       00
Title:          Clarifying Use of LSP Ping to Bootstrap BFD over MPLS LSP
Document date:  2017-10-18
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          4
URL:            
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify-00.txt
Status:         
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify/
Htmlized:       
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify-00
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify-00


Abstract:
   This document, if approved, updates RFC 5884 by clarifying procedures
   for using MPLS LSP ping to bootstrap Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) over MPLS Label Switch Path.




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