From: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>
Sent: 16 September 2020 16:53
To: tom petch; Acee Lindem (acee); Chris Bowers; RTGWG
Cc: rtgwg-chairs
Subject: Re: WG last call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model

Hi Tom,

On 9/16/20, 6:01 AM, "tom petch" <[email protected]> wrote:

    From: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>
    Sent: 15 September 2020 21:37

    Hi Tom, Chris, et al,
    I've moved the non-normative sections to appendixes in the -22 version. 
Also, at the risk of being redundant, I included an explicit reference for the 
unpopular BGP sub-module prefixes.

    <tp>
    Looks good.

    Every time I read this, I see something:-(  So some trivia for as and when 
a new version is needed:

    container prefixes has 'is is'
<acee>
Fixed in -22.
</acee>

    container conditions /returns control the/returns control to the/
<acee>
Fixed in -22
</acee>

    and
    should or SHOULD? (an AD is bound to ask if we meant this:-)

<acee>
I think it should... Started a thread on this amongst YANG doctors. There is no 
consistency in published models on "description" statement validation. However, 
in times we've discussed this on the NETMOD list, these descriptions are 
normative.
</acee>

    'chain' is probably worth expanding on.  It appears in 4.4 and is relied on 
in s.5 without ever a formal definition and it might not be obvious how it is 
represented in the YANG model. I infer that it is the leaf-list import-policy 
or export-policy but chain does not appear in the descriptions thereof.  So I 
think a sentence in 4.4 saying what a chain looks like as YANG would help as 
would a mention of chain alongside list in the description of export-policy and 
import-policy.  If my inference is wrong, then please tell me what a chain is!

<acee>
Good catch. I think the problem here is that "policy chain" is used for both 
the list of import or export policies and the list of statement within a called 
policy. This is clearly wrong and policy chain should only be used for the 
former.  Let me assure my co-authors agree.

<tp2>
Well yes, I think I coped with that one but it is more that I cannot program a 
chain in YANG the way I can in other languages, forward pointers, backward 
pointers and so on,  and an ordered by user leaf-list is not an immediately 
obvious substitute to so I would add in s.4/s.5
'A policy chain is represented in YANG by a user-ordered leaf-list such as ...'
and then in the YANG
'This leaf-list implements a policy  chain as described in ...'

Tom Petch
Thanks,
Acee
</acee>

Thanks,
Acee

    Tom Petch

    Thanks
    Acee

    On 9/10/20, 6:10 PM, "rtgwg on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" 
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

        Hi Tom,

        As previously noted, the BGP model augments the routing-policy model 
and not the other way around. Hence, resolution of BGP model issues is not a 
prerequisite for publication of this YANG model. AFAIK, none of the open issues 
with the BGP model are related to its augmentation of the routing-policy model.


        Now, I'd like to see the BGP model issues addressed and the model 
progress as much as you but there is absolutely nothing unusual regarding its 
treatment.

        Thanks,
        Acee

        On 9/10/20, 11:44 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of tom petch" 
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

            From: rtgwg <[email protected]> on behalf of Chris Bowers 
<[email protected]>
            Sent: 09 September 2020 21:07

            RTGWG,

            I think there is rough WG consensus to submit 
draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model to the IESG for publication.  I will include a 
description of the discussion related to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model in the 
shepherd writeup.  It will likely take the IESG several months to publish 
draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model.  If there are changes in 
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model that make it desirable to change the text of the 
example in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model before publication, then any changes 
in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model will be discussed within RTGWG.

            <tp>
            Chris
            The other thought that I had was that the treatment of bgp-model, 
which I would regard as unusual, might attract some interesting comment from 
such as Genart or Opsdir reviews so it might be valuable to get those done 
earlier rather than later.

            Tom Petch

            Thanks,
            Chris


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