Hi Robin,

Sure, make sense you & the team focus more on the APN specific items in the RTG 
interim meeting. Anyway, the draft Linda pointed out - that we have presented 
in IETF 109 and the next revision we are going to present in the upcoming IETF 
111. Hence we don't a slot in the interim meeting, you can focus on the APN 
specific agenda.

Though, let me clarify your second comment regarding the 
draft-mcd-rtgwg-extension-tn-aware-mobility draft that Linda pointed earlier. 
This draft purely focuses on the Data Network side. Yes, it does extend the 
network characteristics (based on the DMM draft 
draft-ietf-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-00) from the Mobile Network to the Data 
Network. But the focus for this draft is mainly Data Network.

This draft extends the different network slices corresponding to the different 
SSTs (like EMBB, URLLC, MIOT) from the Mobile Network to the Data Network based 
on the UDP Source Port range. It defines the control and data plane mapping 
well for different SSTs with different SR-TE-based mechanisms (like BGP SR-TE, 
PCEP, SR FlowSpec, SR-TE RestConf/GRPC, etc.). Besides that, it extends the 
framework for the Enterprise 5G specific SD-WAN use cases as well.

I guess where we think there is some synergy between this solution and the APN 
framework on how we bring UE/user or application-specific slice/flow within 
each of the different SSTs mentioned above.

Think about it this way, the different SSTs/Network Characteristics map to Fat 
Network slices or Highways in the Data Network. But once UE starts using 
different UDP Source Ports from the Slice specific range it is pretty much the 
same way you are planning to insert User/Application traffic from the APN Edge 
Node. You are planning to approach based on 5-tuple, VLAN tagging whereas 
original dmm-tn-aware-mobility draft can use UDP Source Port can to define 
User/Application traffic. Either approach will finally create several lanes 
within each Network Slice Highway created by the 
rtgwg-extension-tn-aware-mobility Draft.

Hope it clarifies any confusion on what Linda pointed out earlier. In that 
sense, there might be some synergy to work together between what has been 
defined in our draft with your current APN work. We would be happy to work with 
you and the team offline if you think that might be useful down the road. 
Either way, in this interim please go ahead based on your plan. We can connect 
to explore further the collaboration of both works.

Regards,
Kausik


From: Apn <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lizhenbin
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:10 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <[email protected]>; Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) 
<[email protected]>; Gyan Mishra <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]; 6MAN <[email protected]>; Routing Area Working Group 
<[email protected]>; [email protected]; RTGWG <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Apn] FW: Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim

Hi Linda, Thanks very much for your proposal. I have following comments for 
your reference: 1. The coming APN interim meeting will focus on the solution 
discussion including the forwarding plane (IPv6
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Hi Linda,
Thanks very much for your proposal. I have following comments for your 
reference:
1. The coming APN interim meeting will focus on the solution discussion 
including the forwarding plane (IPv6-based and MPLS-based) encapsulation, the 
possible control protocols (IGP/BGP/PCEP) extension and YANG models.
2. We have changed the scope of APN to focus on the network-side solution and 
updates the related drafts accordingly. I am a little doubtful that the 
solution in your draft is still related with the case to tag the information in 
the application side. Even if not, because most of the GTP-u work is under the 
scope of 3GPP instead of IETF, it may be not a right time to discuss the 
encapsulation of APN attributes with the GTP-u tunnel now. We should focus on 
the IETF-based tunnel technologies firstly.


Best Regards,
Robin




From: Linda Dunbar [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:03 AM
To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Gyan Mishra 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; RTGWG 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 6MAN 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Routing Area Working Group 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Apn] FW: Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim

Shuping and APN proponents,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mcd-rtgwg-extension-tn-aware-mobility/<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Ly8sIyYWhXsB_NV2gTmaM87sW0zAgNJwMNtFcPt5-TtcWGncq0Pb1ySWpT5KZY5yeB5PUn3bEsbAQeyhXbpmKM6YWagPm2GDPgS1fsBrzaDdaY-00ECU0QxeJtK8AeVas7kJWjMrT29ixHMEmOBH2ioFYVil0H_sRrceHvmklSMZ7rvCq3lbPVwS7FXcFmpuVnKoX-HrMHkfWSDg_zxzcYvKAkHRlVKEeJ8-6phIdMTy_GIctX6MFYbLICn3kKaMcdFP4JRrTv4MthYZXNyQhojVuhBgBpQT0fT7do5bNJIuiC6SA4YqDmjg2oKAcfQZ/https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-mcd-rtgwg-extension-tn-aware-mobility%2F>
 describes a framework to enable the IP network (over the 5G N6 interface) to 
be aware of the 5G UE traffic to achieve optimized transport aligning with the 
5G Slices characteristics .
The proposed framework aligns with the APN scope of work described in the APN 
BoF description. Do you think it is worthwhile to add this draft to the APN 
interim meeting?

Thank you very much.
Linda Dunbar

From: Apn <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of 
Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 10:57 PM
To: Gyan Mishra <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; RTGWG 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 6MAN 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Routing Area Working Group 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Apn] FW: Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim

Hi Gyan, folks,

Thank you for your suggestions! Besides the guiding slides for the solution 
discussions, we will also have a set of slides for the problem statement to 
clarify the WHY.

According to the feedback we have received so far, we have updated the main 
drafts to sync the information.


The main changes we have made to the drafts are as follows:

1. Removed the application-side solution, only keep the network-side solution

2. The APN attribute is acquired based on the existing information in the 
packet header such as 5-tuple and QinQ (S-VLAN and C-VLAN) at the edge devices 
of the APN domain, added to the data packets along with the tunnel 
encapsulation.

3. When the packets leave the APN domain, the attribute will be removed 
together with the tunnel encapsulation header.

4. APN aims to apply various policies in different nodes along a network path 
onto a traffic flow altogether, for example, at the headend to steer into 
corresponding path, at the midpoint to collect corresponding performance 
measurement data, and at the service function to execute particular policies.



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Your reviews and comments are very welcomed. Thank you!

Best regards,
Shuping

From: Apn [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gyan Mishra
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:39 AM
To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 6MAN 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Routing Area Working Group 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Apn] FW: Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim


Hi Shuping & APN WG

I agree as well that the agenda looks good and many thanks to the RTGWG for 
providing a time slot to host the discussion.

I support the basic concept of the gap APN is trying to solve and provide fine 
grain SLA for primary use case of 5G network slicing.

Traditionally and historically customer SLA been provided using Diffserv QOS 
Marking and PHB scheduling as well as customer application layer SLA using RSVP 
TE class or path based tunnel selection DS TE RFC 4124 and RFC 3270 MPLS 
Diffserv uniform and pipe mode explicit null framework to meet customer SLA 
requirements.  Also ALTO / SDN PCE / PCE CC based network based application 
flow optimizations of flows as well as ACTN abstraction framework for underlay 
path resource provisioning.

As an agenda item I think it maybe a good idea to briefly touch on the problem 
statement and the gap that requires a solution based on  existing technologies 
and solutions that exist today.

Also applicability of the APN ID fine grain SLA for 5G network slicing, DETNET, 
SD WAN as well as any other use cases.

As we have discussed caveats and complexity related to host to network 
signaling that it makes sense to update the existing drafts to reflect 
application edge CE based network marking of the APN ID.   Also, as the APN ID 
marking as we have discussed will change  to network layer marking on the 
application edge CE, how does the marking closely or not resemble the VTN ID 
marking in the data packet for VPN+ E2E network slicing.

This will help facilitate the discussion so we don't get stuck on the 
complexity of host to network signaling.

Kind Regards

Gyan


On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 8:55 PM Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear all,

The APN Interim meeting has been scheduled on June 3rd. Please find the meeting 
information shared by the Chairs of the RTG WG below.

In this APN Interim meeting, we are going to focus more on the discussions of 
the solutions (more overview than details), including
1.       the design of the APN attribute itself
2.       the encapsulation of the APN attribute on the various data planes (the 
encapsulation on the IPv6 data plane is an example)
3.       the control plane protocols extensions for exchanging the APN attribute
4.       NETCONF/YANG models for the NBI and SBI

You are very welcomed to join the discussions, and your comments and 
suggestions are very much appreciated.

Thank you!

Best regards,
Shuping



From: rtgwg [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On 
Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 6:38 AM
To: Routing WG <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; RTGWG 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim

Dear RTGWG,

We have scheduled Application-Aware Networking (APN) focused interim (agenda to 
be published), June 3rd, 2021, 7:00AM PST

Looking forward to seeing you,

Cheers,
Jeff and Chris


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