Hi Haoyu, 

Thanks for your review and comments, please see some clarification replies 
inline with [Jie]: 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haoyu Song <[email protected]> 
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2026 4:36 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <[email protected]>; RTGWG <[email protected]>
Cc: FANTEL <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: New Version Notification for 
draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03.txt

Jimmy,

Thank you for updating the draft. I just reviewed it and think it addresses a 
practical gap in today's network. I have a few questions and comments.

1. Regarding to the term, my feeling is that the proposal gist is not providing 
"faster" notifications, but more informative and more targeted active 
notifications to allow faster and more precise reactions. After all, most 
existing notifications are also immediate, and limited only by forwarding delay.

[Jie] We agree that more informative is also an important aspect of the 
notification, while "fast" is the core characteristic of the network 
notification mechanism we would like to emphasize. To my understanding it 
contains two aspects: the first is the notification needs to be generated 
timely from the originating node, the second is to reduce the delivery time to 
the targeted recipient, so that they can take action within the required time 
scale. Section 4 of this draft gives analysis about the slow dissemination 
issue of the existing mechanisms, and shows the need for fast network 
notification. 

2. Conventionally, network devices only deal with link/device failures and 
leave the temporal congestion to end host transport. The draft suggests 
including rich information such as congestion status in the notifications. It's 
not clear how network devices will deal with this without interfering with the 
e2e flow control which could be faster to react. i.e., the recipient determines 
the information needed in the notification. This should be considered when 
designing the information model otherwise it could be a security/operational 
concern.

[Jie] The awareness of dynamic network status (such as congestion status) on 
network nodes allow the network to take some action at the network layer (e.g., 
traffic engineering and load balancing) to address or mitigate the problem in a 
timely manner, so that in some cases the e2e based mechanism (e.g., congestion 
control) does not need to be triggered frequently. IMO the mechanisms in the 
network layer and other layers can coexist, and some coordination may be 
needed. I agree this needs to be considered in the information model. 

3. It's not clear from the documents if the response mechanism for the 
notification is in scope or not? For example, FRR is a response mechanism. If 
it's flawed as said in the draft, is the solution in scope of FANTEL?

[Jie] Although there is one sub-section describing the possible actions to the 
fast notifications, the detailed action mechanisms are considered out of scope. 
We can make this clearer in next revision. 

4. It seems that the subscription-based notifications will require involving 
the network control plane of the notification sender. Will that affect the 
"fast" promise and incur too much complexity?

[Jie]The subscription-based mechanism is given as an example of the possible 
approaches to reduce the overhead of notification. If later it is considered 
that subscription is needed, the detailed subscription mechanism will be 
specified in a separate document. In my opinion the subscription could be done 
in advance, so that it will not impact the speed of notification. 

Best regards,
Jie


Best regards,
Haoyu

-----Original Message-----
From: Dongjie (Jimmy) <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 1:19 AM
To: RTGWG <[email protected]>
Cc: FANTEL <[email protected]>
Subject: [rtgwg] Re: New Version Notification for 
draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03.txt

Dear all,

We just submitted a new version (-03) of fantel problem statement draft to 
incorporate the comments received both on the list and offline. Thanks again 
for all the review, discussion and suggestions.

The major changes in this version include:

- A new coauthor joined: Reshad Rahman.
- In the introduction section, some descriptions about the hardware capability 
in detecting network condition change at fine-grained time scales were added, 
which shows the gaps in fast network notifications.
- The expected operating time range of fast network notifications was clarified.
- The content in section 3 and section 4 was reorganized to improve readability 
and avoid duplication.
- The descriptions about ECN mechanism were corrected.
- Figure 1 was updated to better reflect the problem space in section 4.1.
- Some explanation about the content of Table 2 was added.
- Some description about multiple recipients of the same notification was added.
- The security considerations section was enhanced.

As always, further review and discussion are appreciated.

One thing for open discussion is, whether we should keep using the term 
"FANTEL" which was introduced at the BoF, or change it to something like "FANN 
(FAst Network Notification)" to better reflect the scope of this work? Any 
feedback is welcome.

The authors believe this version is in a good shape for the RTGWG to consider 
adoption or a consensus call. And we would like to see these problems being 
worked on in the IETF. Guidance from the AD and the RTG chairs are much 
appreciated.


Best regards,
Jie (on behalf of coauthors)


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 4:19 PM
To: Francois Clad (editor) <[email protected]>; Dongjie (Jimmy) 
<[email protected]>; Luis M. Contreras 
<[email protected]>; Mike McBride (editor) 
<[email protected]>; DURMUS Mehmet <[email protected]>; Francois 
Clad <[email protected]>; Hao Lu <[email protected]>; Jeffrey Zhang 
<[email protected]>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <[email protected]>; Luis Contreras 
<[email protected]>; Mehmet Durmus 
<[email protected]>; Mike McBride <[email protected]>; Ran Pang 
<[email protected]>; Reshad Rahman <[email protected]>; Rui Zhuang 
<[email protected]>; Xiaohu Xu <[email protected]>; Yadong 
Liu <[email protected]>; Yongqing Zhu <[email protected]>; Zhaohui Zhang 
<[email protected]>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03.txt

A new version of Internet-Draft draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03.txt has 
been successfully submitted by Jie Dong (editor) and posted to the IETF 
repository.

Name:     draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement
Revision: 03
Title:    Fast Network Notifications Problem Statement
Date:     2026-01-07
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    17
URL:      
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement/
HTMLized: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement
Diff:     
https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-dong-fantel-problem-statement-03

Abstract:

   Modern networks require adaptive traffic manipulation including
   Traffic Engineering (TE), load balancing, flow control, and
   protection, to support high-throughput, low-latency, and lossless
   applications such as Artificial Intelligence (AI) /Machine Learning
   (ML) training and real-time services.  A good and timely
   understanding of network operational status, such as congestion and
   failures, can help to improve network utilization, enable the
   selection of paths with reduced latency, and enable faster response
   to critical events.  This document describes the existing problems
   and why a new set of fast network notification solutions are needed.



The IETF Secretariat


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