I cannot believe that despite repeated requests to be taken off this group there is no action.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of sarbajitr Sent: Sun 11/29/2009 5:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [rti_india] Re: Join Protest Against Electronic ID Entry to Public Parks in Bangalore: Endor Dear Leo, Firstly, I'm very sorry but I dont understand, weakly or otherwise :-), the NGO-speak which permeates your monologue stream. I am perhaps as equally involved in urban / public space access issues as you are - had you cared to research. Secondly, I don't know who Usha Ramanathan is or why her dialogue stream is relevant to our RTI discourse. Thirdly, As per the holy document, (I regret that my religion - Oh JFYI we have 8 million brothers whom urban elites call 'Dalits' among us - doesn't permit me the luxury of holy book/s), obligations come *after*- rights. Rights are enforceable - obligations are not. You are perfectly welcome (please invite Ms.Ramanathan to join us) to misuse / abuse this sacred RTI resource - just mark your messages as OT or OFFTOPIC in the subject line as a courtesy to other members who may not want to read it. BTW, this is not the first time we have had this little dialog. http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01945.html I reiterate that this group is not a dumping ground for press releases unless they are marked as OT. Ciao Sarbajit --- In [email protected], ESGINDIA <e...@...> wrote: > > Dear Sarbajit > > I am appalled and disppointed by your rather weak understanding of > access - to information, public spaces, et al. Usha Ramanathan recently > spoke in Bangalore in a meeting we organised, and she said in the > journey from slave to subject of the state to citizen, we are stuck at > the status of subject. Your view of RTI and access to public spaces is > located within this subordinated spectrum. Rights come with > Obligations, and aren't fettered otherwise - that's my reading of my > only 'holy' document - the glorious Indian Constitution. > > So in protest I will continue to access this forum, much to your > dislike. You can throw me out (as moderator) as much as the Karnataka > State (custodian, merely) here is doing with their electronic ID card. > > Best wishes > > Leo Saldanha > (Always and very much ON THE TOPIC of Access to All, Always!) > > sarbajit roy wrote: > > Dear Leo > > > > Ours is a group focussed strictly on RTI. Your message is an invasion > > of OUR PUBLIC SPACE. > > > > If you or any other member must post stuff like this very > > occasionally, please include the term "OT" or "OFFTOPIC" in the > > subject line. And, please do not "cross post" at the same time. > > > > BTW, have you considered that this proposal may be in the nature of > > purchasing a smart entry access token to a precious heritage resource. > > For eg. Cubbon Park being centrally located in Bangalore could cope > > with the population of 100 years ago. Now with the city bursting at > > the seams and no other such equivalent facility in sight, this could > > be a much needed conservation measure. > > > > So please avoid the use of "red pepper" inflammatory NGO phrases like > > :"highly illegal policy", "highly restrictive application process" > > etc. BTW you have no Fundamental Right to access public spaces. All > > Fundamental Rights are subject to reasonable restrictions. Even in RTI > > the access is limited if it endangers the safety and preservation of > > the information record. > > > > Sarbajit > > > > On 11/28/09, ESGINDIA <e...@...> wrote: > > > >> Dear Friends, > >> > >> Employing a highly illegal policy, the Government of Karnataka intends > >> to restrict entry to Bangalore's heritage Cubbon Park and Lalbagh only > >> to electronic ID wielding folks. Needless to state, this electronic ID > >> comes at a price and will be regulated based on a highly restrictive > >> application process. The intent is to prevent common folks from using > >> such public spaces. All this is an effort in showcasing Bangalore as an > >> elite friendly and global investment friendly city - with its public > >> spaces out of bounds for local residents, especially the poor. > >> > >> To protest such abhorrent acts of exclusion, the undersigned have > >> organised a protest on Monday, 30th November 2009, 4 pm to 6 pm at > >> Queens Statue, Cubbon Park, M. G. Road. We urge you to join us in large > >> numbers in this very critical struggle against encroachment of the > >> Fundamental Rights to Access Public Spaces. > >> > >> The victims of this abhorrent policy will most certainly be the urban > >> poor and voiceless, and this practice may soon extend to make such > >> restrictive practices more common place. It may even initiate > >> conversion of our public commons, such as Parks, Playfields and Open > >> Spaces, into private havens - a practice already in vogue by the State > >> granting large parts of Cubbon Park to the Karnataka Lawn Tennis > >> Association, Century Club and various other private clubs. > >> > >> Enclosed please find a Leaflet urging you to join the Protest. Kindly > >> circulate this amongst your communities. > >> > >> Also enclosed is a Petition to Karnataka Horticulture Minister Shri. > >> Umesh Katti, who has initiated this policy, demanding that he > >> immediately stop this illegal move. You may endorse this petition > >> online at: > >> <http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Protest_ID_to_enter_Parks>. > >> Alternatively, you may send an email to zee...@... latest by 10 > >> December 2009. > >> > >> (Please note that when you sign the online petition, you may be asked to > >> contribute, which you could ignore and proceed to sign the petition. > >> When endorsing please provide your full contact details. Leave these > >> contact details in the comments section of the online petition - if you > >> wish.) > >> > >> We look forward to your support for this important cause that matters to > >> you now, a step that will also secure the Rights of Future Generations. > >> > >> Thank you and best wishes, > >> > >> > >> Bhargavi S. Rao and Leo Saldanha > >> Environment Support Group, Bangalore > >> on behalf of > >> Slum Jagatthu, CIEDS, Vimochana, Dalit Sangharsh Samiti- Samyojaka > >> (Bangalore Dist.), Sanmathi, Alternative Law Forum, Sangama, Stree > >> Jagruthi Samithi, CIVIC Bangalore, Hasiru Usiru and Open Space. > >> > >> > >> > >> *NO ENTRY FOR POOR AND COMMON PEOPLE TO CUBBON PARK AND LALBAGH * > >> > >> *(ENTRY RESTRICTED TO ID CARD HOLDING ELITES ONLY)* > >> > >> The Government of Karnataka plans to make ID cards mandatory to enter > >> Cubbon Park and Lalbagh, and that at a cost of Rs 200/person. This is > >> the beginning of the state's encroachment of people's right to freely > >> access public spaces and a stage is being set to privatise public > >> commons. All sorts of devious reasons are being flung at the public, > >> including security concerns, morality and misuse of parks by > >> "unnecessary elements". > >> > >> The manner in which the policy is formulated encourages the particular > >> exclusion of access rights of the urban poor (especially from > >> minorities), street and working children, elderly people, transgenders , > >> migrant workers, labourers, street vendors, drivers of autorickshaws and > >> taxis, differently abled, families with children, etc. The idea of > >> having to carry an ID merely to access these two parks, fundamentally > >> distances them from their unfettered and constitutionally protected > >> Right to Use Public Spaces. This policy also promotes discriminatory > >> access to public spaces as it privileges 'regular walkers' and thus > >> negates the very concept of parks as public commons. Simply stated this > >> draconian policy encroaches our very fundamental Right to Live a Healthy > >> Life based on dignified and unfettered access to public spaces. > >> > >> *Join the Protest against this fundamental encroachment of Our Right to > >> Access all Public Commons* > >> > >> */COME JOIN THIS JUST PROTEST WITH FAMILIES, COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS, > >> NEIGHBOURS/* > >> > >> *Queen's Statue, Cubbon park, Monday, 30^th November, 4.00 pm -- 6.00 pm* > >> > >> */Protest initiated by Environment Support Group, Slum Jagatthu, CIEDS, > >> Vimochana, Dalit Sangharsh Samiti- Samyojaka (Bangalore Dist.), > >> Sanmathi, Alternative Law Forum, Sangama, Stree Jagruthi Samithi, CIVIC > >> Bangalore, Hasiru Usiru and Open Space./* > >> > >> *For more details contact: *Environment Support Group,1572, Outer Ring > >> Road, Banshankari 2^nd stage, Bangalore-560070 _Tel:-91-80-26713559-60 > >> <tel:-91-80-26713559/60>_ Email:_...@... > >> <mailto:e...@...>, > >> <mailto:e...@...>bharg...@... > >> <mailto:org/bharg...@...>_ Website: _www.esgindia.org > >> <http://www.esgindia.org/>_ > >> > >> >
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