It appears to me that the 'glee' expressed by some in our group was at the 
situation in which the CIC landed himself and they also, like the rest of us,  
would like the Commission
to evolve as an instrument to usher transparency in governance.
 
 

--- On Thu, 27/5/10, Venkatesh Nayak <[email protected]> 
wrote:


From: Venkatesh Nayak <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [rti_india] Re: Fwd: [Indiarti] CIC to approach SC as ICs refuse 
to work
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, 27 May, 2010, 10:11 AM


  




Dear friends,
What worries me is that some observers and users of RTI in this discussion 
group and elsewhere are exulting in the fact that the Commission's work has 
been upset by the DDA decision. While this is not how the Delhi High Court's 
decision must be interpreted, it serves little purpose to argue that all 
possible routes to getting out of the logjam are closed. If change of Rules 
will not help RTI, if amendment of the Act cannot help RTI and if the 
clarificatory orders route is also closed (it indeed is) then the only way left 
is to go to courts again for seeking enforcement of RTI every time we want 
information. I certainly cannot afford it on my income. Should we just dump the 
RTI Act then? malafide interpretations of the RTI Act and the Delhi High 
Court's decision are not what we need today. This chain of discussion started 
of by a few members agreeing to celebrate this situation with liquor. if that 
was not said in jest and was a true gut reaction to what
 has happened then I can only say- "how disgusting". This kind of attitude does 
not help RTI at all. 
 
The saddest part is that the more moderate majority of members of this group 
are only watching silently without speaking up. To all such people, I would 
like to say- "This is your fundamental right also, my friend. The Commission 
will not belong to you if you treat it as the domain of the Commissioners and 
the babus only. THE COMMISSION EXISTS FOR ONE REASON ONLY- TO SERVE THE PUBLIC 
INTEREST BY PERFORMING ITS APPOINTED TASKS. We are members of that public. This 
is not merely NGO-speak. Any bonafide constitutional lawyer with a sound 
understanding of the basic principles of public law will tell you the same 
thing. We need to be more responsible in our reactions to the current 
difficulties that the Commission is facing. After all we are paying for the 
upkeep of this Commission through our taxes and we do not want to see that 
money wasted. We need to have a sense of ownership towards this Commission and 
other public bodies that subsist on taxpayer funds.
 
I have no problems with people voicing any view on any matter so long as they 
do it decently. Happy to read even illogical views and react to them because 
what seems illogical today may seem very logical from a different perspective 
tomorrow. but if some members are looking upon this situation as an instance 
of macabre entertainment and are going about analysing issues which in fact is 
not analysis but vitriolic bile gushing out uncontrollably, then it is time to 
see the doctor. if such people cannot help RTI with solutions then my advice is 
"kindly leave RTI to others who are more interested in finding solutions. If 
you cannot come up with a solution then you are probably part of the problem. 
the moderates amongst us have an ethical duty to speak up in favour of what is 
right- not just in this matter, but always. So can we have more constructive 
discussions on this issue, please?
Thanks
Venkat
 
 
 



From: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:rti_ in...@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf 
Of sarbajitr
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:27 AM
To: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: [rti_india] Re: Fwd: [Indiarti] CIC to approach SC as ICs refuse to 
work


  

Incidentally Raminder was the journo who posted that very
prophetic story (when the CIC selection controversy was
ongoing) that Habibullah would complete his term in office.

The ToI today, however, says that CIC will approach the DoPT
to get the Rules amended - which is even better for us - since
legally the Rules cannot be amended for this purpose. The
RTI At is so poorly drafted that any skilled objector to DoPT
can stall Rule amendments till the RTI Act is amended or 
Sonia Gandhi (through the PMO - Deepak Sandhu ??) intervenes.

Let me put this plainly to Mr Habibullah, LEGALLY SPEAKING
THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF RTI ACT 2005, AS IT STANDS AT PRESENT,
DOES NOT PERMIT THE CENTRAL GOVT BY RULES TO ALLOW PARTIAL
BENCHES OF CIC TO DECIDE APPEALS OR COMPLAINTS. You know this
very well as Mr Singhi had privately advised you on many occasions.
The only option for you was section 30 of the RTI ACT - which you
failed to avail because of your ego and the bad advisors who you
listen to. The section 30 route is now closed - and you should do the same to 
CIC.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@ ...> wrote:
>
> http://www.mynews. in/News/CIC_ to_approach_ SC_as_ICs_ refuse_to_ 
> work_N57918. html
> 
> *Posted On: *26-May-2010 05:52:47 *By:* Raminder Singh Font Size:
> <http://www.mynews. in/News/CIC_ to_approach_ SC_as_ICs_ refuse_to_ 
> work_N57918. html#>
> > 
> India's FoI watchdog the Central Information Commission "CIC" has decided to
> approach the Indian Supreme Court next week against a recent order of the
> Delhi High Court which has caused at least 3 of its members to inform the
> Chief Information Commissioner Wajahat Habibullah that they shall not be
> hearing cases from next week as this would amount to contempt of court.
> 








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