Dear Sarbjit

This is really ancient history being retold here..
Nobody remembers Sackhim or RTIexpert anymore.
The only reason I still post to this group occasionally
is for old times sake and for the RTI book which is now
into its 7rh edn., everyone seems to want a copy.

Ashish

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:27 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Mr Kumaraswamy
>
> Nobody is censoring / blocking your posts to RTI_India group. You must have 
> typed some wrong email address.  Please post / reply to 
> "rti_india@yahoogroups.com"
>
> Yes I had asked you in an email (maybe 2 -3 years back) if you needed help to 
> run your rti group, but that was because my posts to your group had to wait 
> for upto a week till you approved them. Many other people here can confirm 
> about this problem at INDIARTI which was a unique RTI group and still has 
> potential to be a good group if you can devote time to it.
>
> I have nothing to say about Ashish Kumar except these, and I am only putting 
> these out here as you are a group moderator yourself, and it is not proper if 
> our groups / moderators quarrel among ourselves..
>
> a) Ashish Kr is a serving public servant, so he does not reply to emails sent 
> to his Yahoo email ID (and which bounces more often than not). He does check 
> this group's posts reasonably often.
>
> b) Ashish Kr is a long time member of this group. He was also the member 
> posting as "RTIEXPERT", then he and I had a trivial disagreement over the 
> direction this group was taking, and so he amiably split off the membership 
> to another group "Sackhim". Then Ashish was transferred out to a post where 
> he couldn't devote much time and Sackhim languished. Who knows, maybe Sackhim 
> may be revived again, or we shall see the return of the RTIEXPERT ???
>
> c) Ashish Kumar has already confirmed that everything he has written is taken 
> from a wordpress blog called :"customsmuddle" which he claims is yours. Do 
> you admit this or deny it ?
>
> d) I have no quarrel / envy with other groups. Let a thousand flowers bloom 
> --- till their heads are chopped off.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: "sarbajit roy" <sroy1...@yahoo.com>, "sarbajit roy" 
> <mail.sarbajit...@gmail.com>, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>, "C K 
> Jam" <rtiwan...@yahoo.com>, "Satish Kumar Kapoor" <kapoorsat...@yahoo.com>, 
> "urvashi sharma" <rtimahilamanc...@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" 
> <mahitiadhikarma...@gmail.com>, "VMK" <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>, "eGov RTI" 
> <egov...@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, rtirti.k...@gmail.com, 
> umi_...@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, iyer...@yahoo.com, 
> djshah1...@yahoo.com, harira...@gmail.com, vmehtaudct...@hotmail.com, 
> virender.jo...@gmail.com, peoplefortranspare...@yahoo.com, 
> lesals2...@yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 6:14 PM
>
> Hello Mr. Sarbajit Roy,
> I know that I have talked to you before.
> You started your rti_india yahoogroups.com BY just reversing the rtiindia 
> yahoogroups.com
> You have written or talked to me over the phone asked me that you would like 
> to MODERATE rtiindia yahoogroups.com. If I have the email, I will send it to 
> you and to others in this circulation. BECAUSE you will not approve my 
> messages in your group.
> I do not care whether you post or approve my messages or not. You are an 
> UNILATERAL GUY. You will do whatever you want to do in your group. That is 
> left to you.
> It looks like you are full supporter of ASHISH KR, who can write whatever he 
> wants. How well you know him? How long do you know him ? What does he do for 
> a living ?
> ASHISH KR has not written a didly thing on what I asked of him. How can 
> ASHISH write that Mr. V. B. Singh has fooled me ? ASHISH KR has never talked 
> to me personally before. I have talked to people in MUMBAI CUSTOMS about al 
> the things. I have talked to others also about things happenning in MUMBAI.
> I do not have to read anything from groups directions. I can makeout who you 
> are by your talking and writing in the groups. The way you behave and take 
> action.
> I do not need an way of EASY OUT from any one on things what I do. The way 
> you have written in your email is that it an EASY WAY OUT FOR ME. As if 
> ASHISH KR is giving me a WAY OUT. What ever I have written in the BLOGS , I 
> have published or written, with thoughts and talking to few people about that.
> I know Mr. V. B. Singh. I have talked to him. I have talked to others who 
> know him.
> Just want to let you know that ASHISH KR, looks like a front for MUMBAI 
> CUSTOMS people and Officers. He might be an AGENT for MUMBAI CUSTOMS people. 
> He might be making money from writing in your group.
> I know you from all the actions and reactions you have taken through your 
> writings. How you have commented on different people.
> I can make out from your writings, that you do not like people who are 
> supporting other groups.
> Thanks
> V. M. Kumaraswamy
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:46 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mr. Kumaraswamy
>
> 1) VBS was expelled because we (ie. I an the other moderator) cannot allow 
> RTI groups to be used to settle / discuss / publicize personal grievances.
>
> 2) It is always open to VBS to reapply for membership after 14 days. After 
> the Nutan Thakur incident(s) however, we are only allowing 1 more chance 
> before permanently banning misusers.
>
> 3) I appreciate that you are a very busy person, but I request you to kindly 
> read this group's rules which deprecate posting group messages to other 
> groups / persons. Also "cross posting" will normally automatically ensure 
> that such messages are rejected as SPAM by our groups settings and advanced 
> heuristic filters. Which is also why your message was not posted to the group 
> but reached me as a CC.
>
> 4) Insofar as Ashish.Kr is convcerned, he has replied to many of your points 
> separately. As per my experience Ashish.Kr does not check his yahoo mailbox 
> for OFFLIST emails, whereas emails posted to this group are forwarded to 
> another email ID from which he occasionally replies. I also find that 
> Ashish.Kr has clearly specified the source(s) of his allegations, unlike VBS.
>
> 5) I surmise that Ashish.Kr wrote that VBS had "fooled you", to offer you an 
> easy way out. The alternative which he is now proposing is that you are 
> hand-in-glove with tainted public servants, and actively assist them in 
> promoting their cross allegations by a series of blogs / websites / 
> yahoogroups, and which is in the nature of a business run from offshore to 
> pressurize the investigating agencies located in India..
>
> Regards
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: "sarbajit roy" <mail.sarbajit...@gmail.com>, "VB Singh" 
> <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>, "C K Jam" <rtiwan...@yahoo.com>, "Satish Kumar 
> Kapoor" <kapoorsat...@yahoo.com>, "urvashi sharma" 
> <rtimahilamanc...@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" 
> <mahitiadhikarma...@gmail.com>, "VMK" <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>
> Cc: "eGov RTI" <egov...@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, 
> rtirti.k...@gmail.com, umi_...@yahoo.com, sroy1...@yahoo.com, 
> rti_india@yahoogroups.com, iyer...@yahoo.com, djshah1...@yahoo.com, 
> harira...@gmail.com, vmehtaudct...@hotmail.com, virender.jo...@gmail.com, 
> peoplefortranspare...@yahoo.com, lesals2...@yahoo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:46 PM
>
> Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy,
> Why expel Shri. V. B. Singh ? What did he do wrong ??
> If you had faced what others have faced in their work, You will undestand the 
> difficulties.
> ASHISH KR has not responded to any of my mails? Why not EXPEL ASHISH KR ?
> What, ASHISH KR has written against Mr. V. B. Singh is wrong. Mr. V. B. Singh 
> did not FOOL ME.
> ASHISH KR is making HIMSELF as a CLONE, JOKER of the rti_india yahoogroup.
> ASHISH KR need to have basis for what he has written.
> Thanks
> Sincerely
> V. M. Kumaraswamy
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, sarbajitr <sroy1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Group
>
> I have expelled Shri VB Singh from this group. He has repeatedly posted 
> defamatory allegations on our list concerning one Mr Ravindra Kumar who is 
> not a member of this group and with whom he has some personal quarrel. It is 
> pertinent that Shri Singh was repeatedy asked by more than 1 member here to 
> clarify if he had made certain allegations which Mr Kumaraswamy had 
> circulated and the basis for those allegations. Mr. Singh never cared to 
> reply.
>
> As per our group's practice, an expelled member can reapply for membership 
> after 14 days. Repeat expulsion shall be permanent.
>
> Sarbajit Roy
> Group Moderator
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:36 PM, VB Singh <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> Dear Sir,
> Please don't react on comments of Ashish Kumar, as he would never come 
> forward to reply. He is another Ravindra Kumar, who has extorted bribe from 
> the customs officers to complaint against me merely to thwart my deputation 
> to CBI. I have asked him to provide his mobile number but he has not replied 
> yet.
> Kumaraswamy has clarfified that he was not fooled by me. Bhaskarji has 
> rightly asked him to provide copies of 120 RTI applications done by other on 
> behalf of me. But I know that he (Ashish) would not as his allegations are 
> based on the information provided by those officers of customs who are 
> looting the precious revenue of nation and are real security threat for 
> Mumbai at least. He is being fed by those customs officers of Mumbai who have 
> joined service illegaly, facing disciplinary enquiries of corruption and are 
> indirectly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocenent persons in 
> the serial bomb blasts of 1993.
> As far as allegation of links with Abu Salem and Chhota Rajan is concerned, 
> this thought would be generated in the mind of a pervert and corrupt person 
> only having real links with underworld.
> I avoided this topic to be discussed to save precious time of esteemed 
> members. Sarbajit Sir should not feel offended by this message as it is my 
> right to participate in the discussion pertaining to me. Ashish who has 
> initiated this discussion and let him come clean on his allegations and 
> reveal the basis on which he has based them.
> With warm regards,
> VB Singh
> “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but 
> because of those who look on and do nothing.” - Albert Einstein
>
>
> --- On Tue, 31/8/10, eGov RTI <egov...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: eGov RTI <egov...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: "eGov RTI" <egov...@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" 
> <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>, kapoorsat...@yahoo.com, rtirti.k...@gmail.com, 
> umi_...@yahoo.com, sroy1...@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, "VMK" 
> <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarma...@gmail.com>
> Cc: iyer...@yahoo.com, djshah1...@yahoo.com, harira...@gmail.com, 
> vmehtaudct...@hotmail.com, virender.jo...@gmail.com, 
> peoplefortranspare...@yahoo.com, lesals2...@yahoo.com
> Date: Tuesday, 31 August, 2010, 11:58 PM
>
> Dear Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu,
> This is V. M. Kumaraswamy,
> Just want to let you know is that ASHISH KR does not have 6th sense the way 
> you have written.
> ASHISH KR, does not have SENSE at all !!!
> ASHISH KR, does not know what he is talking about and what he is writing 
> about.
> ASHISH KR has not responded to my emails at all , WHY ??
> Is ASHISH KR, MODERATOR of rti_india yahoogroup ??
> If he is, we can all imagine the status of that yahoogroup.
> ASHISH KR need to be tamed by rti_india yahoogroup. For writing unwarranted 
> things in the group.
> ASHISH KR does nto understand the flight of people. Who is going through 
> hardship in their lives.
> People like ASHISH KR makes life MISERABLE for WHISTLE BLOWERS and sincere 
> RTI Activists.
> Thanks
> V. M. Kumaraswamy
> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> Oh ! Ashish has 6th sense and he has virtual record of application done on 
> behalf of V.B Singh by others -:) Let him post 120 applications that were 
> done by others on behalf of V.B.Singh. Just using the names of Chota Rajan 
> and Abu Selem shows that Ashish is a arm chair public spirited person and has 
> knack to attach these names malign some person, since names are frequently 
> talked in customs.
>
> In-service for RTI
>
> Bhaskar Prabhu
>
> --- On Sat, 8/28/10, eGov RTI <egov...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: eGov RTI <egov...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: "eGov RTI" <egov...@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" 
> <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>, kapoorsat...@yahoo.com, rtirti.k...@gmail.com, 
> umi_...@yahoo.com, sroy1...@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, "VMK" 
> <vmkumarasw...@gmail.com>
> Cc: iyer...@yahoo.com, djshah1...@yahoo.com, harira...@gmail.com, 
> vmehtaudct...@hotmail.com, virender.jo...@gmail.com, 
> peoplefortranspare...@yahoo.com, lesals2...@yahoo.com
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 2:51 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> From: eGov RTI <egov...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>
> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:47 PM
>
> WHAT, ashish kr1965 ashishkr1...@yahoo.com, is writing in the rti_india yahoo 
> group is wrong. Ashish kr does not know what he is writing.
> This is Mr. V. M. Kumaraswamy of INDIARTI and eGovINDIA Group.
> Ashish does not know what has really happened.
> Ashish needs to think before writing these things in a group like this.
> Mr. V. B. Singh did not fool me.
> Thanks\
> Sincerely
> V. M. Kumaraswamy
>
> --- On Fri, 8/27/10, VB Singh <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
> From: VB Singh <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 8:20 PM
>
> Dear Ashish,
> This is not the correct forum to reply to the questions raised by you. I 
> don't want to waste precious time of other group members on personal issues. 
> Please ask VM Kumaraswamy about this. If you are interested in knowing about 
> me please give your location, contact numbers etc. and we would discuss this 
> issue along with VM Kumaraswamy, Darak etc..
> With warm regards,
> VB Singh
> “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but 
> because of those who look on and do nothing.” - Albert Einstein
>
>
> --- On Sat, 28/8/10, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice 
> of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, 28 August, 2010, 8:35 AM
>
> Dear Mr Singh
>
> Before asking me for proof of information, please confirm if
> you published these allegations below and what your proof
> was then ?
>
> Ashish
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> Are you also part of the team which is resorting to victimisation and
> harassment.
>
> Why is Narayan Singh after me like leach? Why had Narayan Singh audacity
> to inform one of the Supdt. posted in AIU that he had got me transferred
> from Vigilance? Why did he tell another Supdt. that he has got four filres
> opened against me in vigilance and that he would ensure that I do not go
> to CBI on deputation?
>
> Had I not requested you to protect me from Narayan Singh? Now Bathija has
> also joined Narayan Singh?
>
> Don’t you know that Narayan Singh had been receiveing bribe from Airport
> Officials like BN Ojha for clearing carriers? Don’t you know that Narayan
> Singh Cell number is 9821229380 which is a third party number and he pays
> thousands of rupees monthly bill? Is it not true that there were several
> complanits against Narayan Singh in vigilance which were closed? Don’t you
> know that Narayan Singh had tried to protyect DS Tilwani also? Is it not
> true that Narayan Singh had also protected Alok Garg by leaking the
> contents of files attended by me? Why are you protecting Narayan Singh?
>
> Do you agree with allegation that I had accepted bribe of Rs.4 crores from
> Taufik Haji Gaffar? If so why do you not call Taufik Haji Gaffar himself
> and verify the fact? Do you not know know what manipulations were beiung
> done in Delhi High court to get the detention order of Taufik Haji Gaffar
> quashed by Ram Jethmalani and Chidambaram after which I had complained to
> President of India after which Taufik was detained?
>
> Why did you not call the Rahul Bahandari and Meena two officers of Central
> Excise who allegedly bribed me for not suspending them as per news report
> published in Surat newspaper?
>
> I am being victimised and harrased by the officers of vigilance
> directorate to protect Alok Garg and other senior officers of the
> department. I know who was tout of your Additional Director General and
> her husband in Delhi with whom they used to go for dinner in Sidhdhartha
> Hotel, Pusa Road, Delhi. I know how Taufik Haji Gaffar was helped by
> officers of Customs when he was arrested by CIU in 1999 in bogus bank
> gaurantee case.I have documenatary proof to show how one of the Deputy
> Commissioner, Surat DRI, presently posted in the Directorate General of
> vigilance, had protected Taufik in a DRI case in connivance with KO Paul,
> SIO/ DRI, Man Singh SIO/ DRI and Parveen Katyal /I.O., DRI. I know how Dr.
> NK Soren has been protected by Directorate General of Vigilance in a
> export fraud case inspite of clear cut evidence of Jayesh gala against
> him. I know how many Rebate files of Avinash Exports, Surat, have been
> been sanctioned by another Depurty Commissioner, presently posted in the
> Directorate General of Vigilance, looking after Surat Rebate Case on the
> basis of forgeed export documents alonwith Surendra Mehta. I know how an
> Asstt. Commissioner of Vigilance has managed to come to Vigilance Mumbai
> from Kalkata to remain in Mumbai within two months. Can he go against
> whimds and fancy of senior officers? I am aware that one of your Supdt.
> was in touch with Editor Surat Saamna and Tejas Desai and tried to scuttle
> the Surat Rebate investigation. Please ask VH Bathija how many carriers he
> used to clkear every night when he was in AIU and batch and how many girls
> he used to screw. I know at least one lady whom Bathija used to screw? I
> know how PK Sinha has been protected by ADG/Vig, WZU, inspite of his
> having signed the DRI-I backdated in CSD case. I know how the enquries of
> SK Bharadwaj, retired Member CBEC, DS Sra, then Commissioner of Customs
> (General), Mumbai and now Chif Commissioner have been scuttled to allow
> them to retire peacefully and avail promotion.
>
> Your department is digging my grave. They are asking the address of my
> dead father for a flat alreadty intimated to the department under Rule 18
> (2)of Conducr Rules.
>
> You are posted in Vigilance to eradicate corruption from customs whereas
> you are protecting the corrupots and vicimising the sincere and honests.
> Had I been so corrupt why did you ask me to join vigilance and entrusted
> me the enquiry of Surat Rebate case?
>
> You project yourself as one of the honest officer in the department but
> have you ever tried to defend me inspite of knowing fully well that
> enquiries conducted by VH Bathija, MA Andrade and Narayan Singh are based
> on personal vendetta.
>
> Since you are one of the blue eyed boy of DG, Vigilance and know me well,
> I request you to request him to close all my files and punish Narayan
> Singh and others who were instrumental in opening these files.
>
> Since I have already been placed under cloud for none of my mistake and
> for performing my duties with sincereity and honestly, I am not bothered
> about my career and will expose every corrupt officers of the departement.
>
> My father and brothers have left for me enough property to look after
> their families and my family. Please send me to jail after dismissal from
> service and keep honests like Narayan Singh, VH Bathija, MA Andrade, PB
> Chitre, SS Rana, Satish Agrawal, Surendra Mehta, Alok Garg, Saudan Singh, HN 
> Prasd, Ravindra Kumar and Dr. NK Soren etc. in the department.
>
> I am copying this email to the President of India, CVC and others to let
> them know how the West Zone Unit of the Directoratae General of Vigilance
> is victimising and harrasing me to protect corrupt officials of customs.
>
> Regards,
> VBSingh
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dear moderators of this group.
> >
> > 1. The volume of spam in our inbox originating from this group is
> > intolerable, The spam filters need to be readjusted to ruthlessly
> > filter out contributions not concerned with RTI.
> >
> > 2. A cabal of disgruntled officers facing serious disciplinary and
> > corruption charges, now masquerading as RTI activists @whistleblowers,
> > have obtained membership recently to this group and started using our
> > groups bandwidth to divert our focus from discussion on RTI instead to
> > unwarranted accusations against Information Commissioners.
> >
> > 3. The contempt notice from the Central Information Commission to Mr.
> > Umapathi S is
> > a clear caution that free speech has its limits. Mr Umapathi seems
> > oblivious to the high office of the President of India in his
> > defamatory complaint concerning ANT which is replete with invective
> > and personal spite. One seriously wonders how a public authority like
> > the State Bank could employ such individuals, or why we should put up
> > with them at our group.
> >
> > 4) The case of Mr VB Singh is even more serious and deserves immediate
> > intervention. He is a practiced hand at misusing yahoo groups since
> > 2006. 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/bharatudaymiss...@yahoogroups.com/msg01800.html
> > In another example from 2006 he managed to fool Kumaraswamy of INDIARTI
> > http://customsmuddle.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/this-rti-request-to-cvc-of-v-m-kumaraswamy-needs-to-followed-up-by-an-rti-activists-if-any-questions-write-to-v-m-kumaraswamy-he-will-reply-for-your-questions/
> > The wild allegations and intemperate language used by Mr Singh in this
> > email mandate that such persons should not be allowed to post to/from
> > this group or communicate with our members. Shailesh Gandhi, Rajesh
> > Darak and other Mumbai activists have filed over 120 RTI requests
> > collectively on behalf of Mr Singh, a vigilance officer, who faces
> > numerous serious accusations of corruption in cross cases iof
> > smuggling nvolving Abu Salem, Chota Rajan gangs.
> >
> > Ashish
> >
> >>
> >> From: umapathi s <umi_...@yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- 
> >> "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> >> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Members Now it is becoming clear that the CIC is exceeding its power 
> >> and its own jurisdiction . AS one of our members mentioned it is nothing 
> >> but tactics to silence our voice.
> >>
> >> In order to have a constructive conclusion, I mention below points which 
> >> may help members to decide on the legality of the contempt notice issued 
> >> by CIC.
> >>
> >> 1) There is a dilemma whether or not CIC is a court.
> >>
> >> 2) If we accept that CIC is a court, even in this case, CIC has no power 
> >> to issue the show- cause notice for Contempt proceedings.
> >>
> >> 3) As per one of the decisions of the Hon’ble High court of Delhi, “the 
> >> lower courts have no power to prosecute a person for contempt of court”. 
> >> ‘A perusal of provisions of the Contempt of Courts Act would show that a 
> >> court subordinate to high court has no powers to initiate proceedings 
> >> under the Contempt of Courts Act. Under the act, the high court alone can 
> >> take cognizance of an alleged contempt having been committed in respect of 
> >> subordinate courts,’ the court said.
> >>
> >> 4) Only higher courts can take cognizance of contempt committed by a 
> >> person against lower judiciary. In the same Judgments the court observed 
> >> that “A subordinate court is supposed to send a reference of the matter to 
> >> the high court. A subordinate court cannot itself assume jurisdiction 
> >> under the Contempt of Courts Act and issue show cause notice as to why 
> >> contempt proceedings should not be initiated,
> >>
> >> 5) Whether our group is private or public it doesn’t matter much. What is 
> >> imp is publication is any manner which scandalize or interfere with the 
> >> administration of justice. This is to be decided by following the rule of 
> >> law and facts and circumstances of the case.
> >>
> >> 6) The contempt proceedings have to be used only sparingly and cautiously.
> >>
> >> 7) The contempt Jurisdiction is not to protect an individual Judge. ( if 
> >> ICs are declared as Judges).it is meant for the maintenance of effective 
> >> legal system.
> >>
> >> 8) Contempt proceedings can be used only when the proceedings are pending. 
> >> (In the instant case, the IC had already decided the case).
> >>
> >> 9) Contempt proceedings are quasi-criminal and quasi-judicial.
> >>
> >> 10) I shall be attaching the Scanned copy of the notice received by me 
> >> soon (I have no scanner at Home, hence the difficulty), to prove the 
> >> authenticity of my posting as some members mentioned.
> >>
> >> 11) I started the thread on this topic since it is a new and vital subject 
> >> on the powers of the CIC and our Fundamental rights. The aim is to invite 
> >> the views of OUR enlightened members .Tomorrow our other members may be 
> >> forced to face such situations
> >>
> >> 12) I have addressed the complaint to Hon’ble President as “Her 
> >> Excellency” in my complaint. No defamatory statement is made by me and it 
> >> has nothing to do with the present notice issued by CIC.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: VB Singh <vijay_bsi...@yahoo.co.in>
> >> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Fri, 27 August, 2010 9:42:05 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- 
> >> "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
> >>
> >>
> >
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