On 2010-10-11 17:34:14 -0300, James Tucker wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2010, at 16:17, Chad Woolley wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:55 AM, James Tucker <jftuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, with the way that integration works (another thing I'd
> >> like to address), upgrading rubygems seems to have some errors.
> >> This also reaches back into gemcutter, whereby I am concerned that
> >> we cannot continue to make sweeping changes like just turning off
> >> indexes without breaking versions. If this becomes the case for
> >> 1.9.2 before it's even in use as a mainstream version, that would
> >> be very sad. This is also (personally) my concern with opening up
> >> the project too fast, patches need to have some serious thought put
> >> into them with regard to portability and longevity. As you note
> >> yourself, this project services quite a wide scope, and that should
> >> be addressed.
> >
> > The correct way to address these risks and concerns is to have
> > adequate integration tests and continuous integration environments,
> > which allow you to be confident that any given change, in any branch,
> > will not [severely] break any environment which you care about.
>
> Features were removed from production servers. That was a conscious
> human choice. What I'm saying is that if this happens again, the
> affect to 1.9.2 will be even worse. At least old 1.8.x systems can
> relatively happily upgrade rubygems to a working version (albeit
> probably outside their package manager). My point is that kind of
> indiscretion won't be recoverable in future unless these (process)
> issues are addressed. History proves that at least a while ago, my
> views were not shared. We should try to keep a reasonable support time
> on older versions. I know the ruby community moves fast, but that
> doesn't really make it acceptable to break production "stable" systems
> within a year of release, IMO.
some people would be happy if they would only need to support old
versions for one year. :p some package manager have to do 5-7years. :)
darix
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