Also, it seems, based on the 2 threads I linked in the original post,
that this behaviour was introduced in rails 2.1 -- but I haven't
confirmed that myself.

In my case (replying to Andrew Bloom's question), I was automatically
defining helper methods like "admin?", "student?", etc, based on data
in the roles table, to save typing "current_user.has_role?(:admin)"
etc... my code was smart enough to not fail if the roles table was
missing (so that at least the migrations creating the roles table
wouldn't fail), but I wasn't checking for the presence of the entire
database. rake db:create fails before creating the database, because
it loads my application, which expects a database!

I agree that it's not a huge issue, but you know, I think rails could
do with some tidying up before the next million new features are
added. :-)  For someone relatively new to rails like myself, all these
small issues add up and bite one or two days out of every week of
work. I don't mean to criticise anyone that works on rails, your work
is hugely appreciated, and I realise I should be submitting patches
myself if I want things to improve (once I get my head around the
rails code). But I feel like I have been battling against the
framework far more than necessary. Hopefully rails has reached a high
enough level of maturity, feature-wise, that bug-fixes will be given
priority over new features.

Dave.


> I'm not the first to see this, e.g.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk/browse_thread/thread/...
>
> and http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/154561

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