Sorry, I meant Zack.

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Maurizio De Santis


2013/12/3 Maurizio De Santis <[email protected]>

> Marius, your solution is not much different from responding a render :json
> : you send only the data, and the processing code is already on client
> side; transponder.js seems to me that it adds an abstraction level in order
> to manage the data, but it is different from RJS, which sends the execution
> code too, that is necessary for running the examples made before, like
> Disqus, or single page apps.
>
> transponder.js a good solution if you don't want / need to send the
> execution code, as render :json , but I think I got that RJS is necessary
> for other contexts.
>
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> Maurizio De Santis
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Marius Corîci <[email protected]>
>
>> I much appreciate RoR, its community Homakov included. I never saw RoR
>> security team at least one time to appreciate Homakov's findings. Perhaps
>> you should take it closer by first recognize his security work over RoR.
>> I'm quite sure that Homakov would have comply to your rules in the end.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:47:07 PM UTC+2, DHH wrote:
>>>
>>> Please stop conflating the discovery of a security issue with the
>>> philosophical waxing about architecture. It's not helping the case. As
>>> stated previously, responding with JS is not only a wonderful architectural
>>> pattern, it's also not going anywhere. Not in a gem, not in a deprecation,
>>> not anywhere. We'll fix the security issue, and Rails will continue to
>>> proudly champion the use of this great pattern.
>>>
>>> Guess what, it won't be the last security issue Rails ever has. Just
>>> like it won't be the last security issue any piece of software ever has.
>>> But we need to level up as a community in our handling of these issues.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I'm surprised that people are willing to hire Homakov for any
>>> work in the area given his reputation for irresponsible disclosure. Finding
>>> a legit security issues is a great services, but disregarding all security
>>> issue management protocols in their publication is doing a disservice to
>>> all who would otherwise benefit from the work.
>>>
>>> Rails has had a codified security process for many years now. It's
>>> available for all to read on http://rubyonrails.org/security. Making a
>>> blog post on your personal site isn't one of the channels listed as a
>>> responsible way of disclosing discoveries. Posting specific 0-day attack
>>> vectors against affected sites is not one either.
>>>
>>> Making a public report over a holiday weekend, and then, when the
>>> response to the report doesn't immediately follow the proposed solution
>>> (remove the feature), go off the reservation with specific attacks is just
>>> plain irresponsible. No two ways about it. It also goes to undermine any
>>> other recommendations or suggestions coming from said reporter.
>>>
>>> So. Damage is already done for this issue. But lest it encourages others
>>> to act as irresponsibly as Homakov has done of this issue, I hope others
>>> take a broader approach for future issues. Report systemic or framework
>>> issues per the reporting instructions on http://rubyonrails.org/security.
>>> Report specific application issues directly to application developers
>>> responsibly per their reporting instructions (see https://37signals.com/
>>> security-response for the one we use at 37signals).
>>>
>>> Presumably we're all in the same boat here: Make Rails better and more
>>> secure. Let's row like we mean that. The Rails security team (Michael
>>> Koziarski, Jeremy Kemper, and Aaron Patterson) has worked hard in the past
>>> to provide us with a good process, they've followed that process, and they
>>> deserve our thanks and support.
>>>
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