(top posting and not snipping very much so that somebody else can pick 
up the thread)--I think I'm out of my depth trying to deal with the 
best (i.e., fastest) way to deal with your data in Ruby/Rails.  (If I 
was to hazard a guess, I might try dealing with each table as an array, 
just for the sake of speed.)

OTOH, if this is a rails application, presumably there is a client and a 
server (and TCP/IP communication between them)--is the database 
processing on the server really the bottleneck?

At least one more comment interspersed below.

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 09:37 am, [email protected] wrote:
> ive toyed around with just using txt files but my limited
> understanding of "proper technique" in dealing with them makes them
> just as cumbersome...
> 
> im very familiar with normalization and if it was practical (and the
> cost didnt outweigh the benefit) id make sure everything was
> absolutely 6NF and then some... but coulda, woulda, shoulda... its not
> practical.. the best im shooting for is 3NF or 4NF but its not a
> stringent requirement...
> 
> i guess you could say i know my way around databases, im just lost
> with trying to implement this in a ruby way. my database breakdown
> will probably look as follows (i think, unless someone can point me in
> a better direction)...
> 
> over time there may be 5000 sheets... each sheet may have up to 20
> columns. each column will eventually belong to exactly one group. each
> group may have up to 400 "rows"... .. so if a sheet has 4 columns and
> 2 groups like my prev. example and is filled to capacity... theres
> going to be 400 rows for each set of groups... 800 rows... they need
> to then be translated into one cohesive unit for display. the final
> display will have all 4 columns separated into groups and "merged" so
> all the "toolnumbers" line up in rows.. displaying only 400 rows.

Without a lot more thinking, I don't fully follow the above description.  
I guess "sheet" is the first thing that puzzles me--is a sheet a table, 
or is there a table containing up to 5000 sheets?  (Maybe the "schema" 
you list below would answer that and my other questions, but it would 
probably take me a while to puzzle it out--more time than I have atm.)

If I really wanted to understand it, I'd ask for an example using "real" 
data--sheets, columns, and rows just confuse me (would that be 
metadata?).

> i **think** i understand the database side.. im lost on the ruby
> implementation (or any implementation).. is there a "most effective"
> way to construct my relationships?
> 
> Sheets
> - id (int)
> - name (string)
> 
> Columns
> - id (int)
> - sheet_id (int)
> - column_group_id (int)
> - name (string)
> 
> ColumnGroups
> - id (int)
> - name (string)
> 
> Data
> - id (int)
> - sheet_id (int)
> - column_id (int)
> - tool_number (string)
> - value (int)
> 
> then i'll have a possible array as such for a query like:
> select tool_number, value from data where sheet_id = x
> 
> whats an effective way to iterate over the returned dataset and sort
> it out into its corresponding columns column groups and rows... im
> seeing a join in my head but i dont know on what.
> 
> :(
> 
> hopefully my problem is becoming a little more clear... but the deeper
> i dig the more i suspect theres an elegent solution im not advanced
> enough to see.

Good luck!
Randy Kramer
-- 
I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video 
instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al.

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