i'm trying to see if any would return false in your case, as the record 
already exists for update.

stumbled upon this: 
https://rails.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8994/tickets/1219-new_record-not-set-when-using-joins
let me know if there is any clue here?
 (assert ?)




badnaam wrote:
> Well so its of no use if one wants to check if the record is a brand
> new record or an updated one

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