Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
>> Telling people to leave the community is one sure fire way for them to
>> do that, and I'm sure deep down you don't want that to happen because
>> without people we are without community.
> 
> Not everyone is good for community. I won't be sad a bit if some
> leave.

So (and I guess it's my turn to potentially misconstrue) what you're
saying is that the people who apparently are interested in the future of
Rails should leave?

I think this isn't a very positive attitude to have. These people who
are interested in Rails will be the people who tell their friends about
it and then they'll tell their friends about it. These are the people we
should be **helping** rather than **berating**. Although I've been on
that side of the fence too, but I realised it is the wrong side to be
on.

I understand their whinging is annoying, but acting in some of the ways
we've seen in this thread is not appropriate, **especially** for core
members. We need to work together as a community to make this release
the best release it can be.

If people want to know what's holding up the release then we should be
pointing them (in a positive fashion, a la Ruby community, not RTFBT
(read the f*cking bug tracker) a la PHP/C community) to the Bundler
tracker: http://github.com/carlhuda/bundler/issues which at the very top
lists all the bugs that need to be fixed before a 1.0 release candidate
comes out. I'll reiterate my opinion: I think that there won't be a
Rails release candidate without a Bundler release candidate.

As for the people who aren't good for this community, I so far see two
of them in this entire thread and let me tell you: they aren't the
people who are whining that Rails 3 isn't out yet. They're on the other
side of that particular fence. Maybe they should leave?
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