because our client has some NDA agreement, and I think I can use sugarcrm
as the example, consider you have some project large like this,
50+ files, every file more than several thousand lines,
after that you just go crazy. not to whether you're writing extension points
for it.
And handling customized ORM rules, things like adding a field/relation/in
ui,
than the database will be filled with one more table, say your table is
Contract,
and the adding fields would be added to Contract_cust, and your ORM takes
care
of that, I just don't think ActiveRecord copes that well.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:01 AM, femto Zheng <femto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, quite agree.
> 'But the generated Ruby you show above would cause most
> Rubyists to flee.'
> Yes, I agree. If without those bizarre php's variable behavior,
> I would just compile local variable to local variable,
>
> 'I'm still quite unclear on *why* one would want to rewrite a complete
>
> package like SugarCRM in Ruby; after all, PHP is supported practically
> anywhere there's a web server, and any package big enough to be worth
> translating is likely to have an extension API. Further, it's not like
> it's going to be simple to extend the spaghetti that the translation
> produces in Ruby...'
>
> First, we all agree that php's valid code,
>
> public function getHelper()
> {
>
> if ( !($this->helper instanceof DBHelper) ) {
> global $sugar_config;
>
> switch ( $sugar_config['dbconfig']['db_type'] ) {
> case "mysql":
> $my_db_helper = 'MysqlHelper';
> if ( (!isset($sugar_config['mysqli_disabled'])
> || $sugar_config['mysqli_disabled'] == false)
> && function_exists('mysqli_connect') )
> $my_db_helper = 'MysqliHelper';
> break;
> case "mssql":
> if ( function_exists('sqlsrv_connect')
> && (empty($config['db_mssql_force_driver']) ||
> $config['db_mssql_force_driver'] == 'sqlsrv' ))
> $my_db_helper = 'SqlsrvHelper';
> elseif (is_freetds()
> && (empty($config['db_mssql_force_driver']) ||
> $config['db_mssql_force_driver'] == 'freetds' ))
> $my_db_helper = 'FreeTDSHelper';
> else
> $my_db_helper = 'MssqlHelper';
> break;
> default:
> $my_db_helper = 'MysqlHelper';
> }
> $GLOBALS['log']->info("using $my_db_helper DBHelper backend");
> require_once("include/database/{$my_db_helper}.php");
> $this->helper = new $my_db_helper();
> $this->helper->db = $this;
> }
>
> return $this->helper;
> }
> is perfectly beatiful, if php can support no '$' before variable.
> before doing this project I think php is stupid language, but after this
> I change my mind, actually php's code is quite well written and
> encapsulated(if without that '$'). That's no wonder why DHH, who's
> background is php, comes to ruby and writes out Rails, but no somebody
> that with a java background comes to ruby and writes out Rails,that's not
> without
> a reason. Because php's just syntax noise more than ruby. Many mental
> position
> is still good.ps, we all know ajax right, coined by Jesse James Garrett,
> after
> that people know ajax, but before which the xmlhttp just exists there many
> years
> and going unnoticed.same for the php, php exists there many years and
> neglected
> by rails' guy and think it's spaghetti code.
>
>
> For phuby you mentioned, I'ved checked out,
> it says it requires php, it still needs you to download and compiles
> php-5.3.0 to your box, so it's a simple wrapper around php?
> the final code is still php?
> No, our goal is makes your code Ruby/Rails,
> say you download a simple php project, and puts it into your disk,
>
> e:\php-project\sugarcrm,
> and then you just fire a up a rails application
> and config.host = "e:\php-project\sugarcrm"
> and it runs.It will compiles your accessed php file and to a related
> .rb file
>
> so for the compilation part,
> if you think _VARS["a"] perfectly equal to $a or(a in ruby's sense),
> the ||={} is just coping with php's accessing optionally equals to hash,
> then the whole mental model would be very simple.after that, when the
> whose system can be running, then you can simply change/extend a
> certain point,
> we all know ruby's quite easy to extend, so may you put your custom
> code in some /custom/include/dbmanger.rb
> and requires that, (or you may wan to more put into rails
> folder,app/controller/model or something)
> self.helper = sugar_config['dbconfig']['db_type'] + 'Helper' if
> ["mysql,mssql"].include?(sugar_config['dbconfig']['db_type'])
>
> Just like I claimed, tons of tons good stuff/wealth buries in php,
> like say,
> cssmin:
>
> class cssmin
> {
> public static function minify($css, $options = "remove-last-semicolon")
> {
> $options = ($options == "") ? array() : (is_array($options) ? $options :
> explode(",", $options));
> if (in_array("preserve-urls", $options))
> {
> // Encode url() to base64
> $css = preg_replace_callback("/url\s*\((.*)\)/siU", "cssmin_encode_url",
> $css);
> }
> // Remove comments
> $css = preg_replace("/\/\*[\d\D]*?\*\/|\t+/", " ", $css);
> // Replace CR, LF and TAB to spaces
> $css = str_replace(array("\n", "\r", "\t"), " ", $css);
> // Replace multiple to single space
> $css = preg_replace("/\s\s+/", " ", $css);
> // Remove unneeded spaces
> $css = preg_replace("/\s*({|}|\[|=|~|\+|>|\||;|:|,)\s*/", "$1", $css);
> if (in_array("remove-last-semicolon", $options))
> {
> // Removes the last semicolon of every style definition
> $css = str_replace(";}", "}", $css);
> }
> $css = trim($css);
> if (in_array("preserve-urls", $options))
> {
> // Decode url()
> $css = preg_replace_callback("/url\s*\((.*)\)/siU", "cssmin_encode_url",
> $css);
> }
> return $css;
> }
> I know there'll be a ruby equivalent, I am just giving an example,
> what if there's not a cssmin funtionality, but some other
> fancy funtionality?
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Ar Chron <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote:
>
>> Femto Zheng wrote in post #996564:
>> > Hello all, because most of php's application is feature rich than
>> > rails's existing offer,
>> > like say, crm solutions, sugarcrm,
>> > I know rails have similar offering,( fat_free_crm), but unfornately,
>> > this is really far
>> > from the feature sugarcrm offers,
>> > sugarcrm has been developed since 2004, all 7 years, and has been
>> > funded
>> > $2 million in venture capital, I just don't think anyone could port
>> > that easily in
>> > a short time frame.
>> >
>> > for hand-rewritten the php's application, well, that's at least
>> > theoretically,
>> > I've done that before, that's quite time-consuming and error-prone.
>> >
>>
>> Possibly time-consuming, yes. Error-prone depends on the tests that are
>> in place... But the generated Ruby you show above would cause most
>> Rubyists to flee.
>>
>> If the entire application is translated with that amount of syntactic
>> noise, what is your maintenance path? Edit the original php
>> application, then translate again?!?
>>
>> I'm not knocking your accomplishment (Lord knows I've written code that
>> writes some awfully ugly code), but there a wide gap between
>> syntactic/semantic correctness and syntactic/semantic "elegance", and I
>> think the "elegance" attribute is what has drawn many people to Ruby.
>>
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