On Nov 27, 4:15 am, Michael Pavling <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's another *big* sweeping statement on your part :-/ > > Personally, I think that given the shear weight of numbers, I doubt > that "most" of those developers aren't likely to have "touched Windows > in the past 10 years" (for instance, I spent the first six months of > this year developing a Rails app on Windows for a client - I wouldn't, > and I don't, recommend it, though sometimes needs must). > > > It is funny that Ruby (mostly Rails) is only community I know that > > attacks developers using Windows while others like PHP or Python just > > accept them and try to point them to the right places. > > Again... cite some of your sources for these assertions, as your > opinion is rapidly going downhill in my estimation when you say stuff > like this. >
It will take me long time to find all the sources for those assertions starting from 2006 until now. Sorry for you think that my opinion is going downhill because of that, I thought that perhaps my experience and what I do will be enough: * Creator of RubyInstaller, the replacement of One-Click Installer for Windows * Creator of rake-compiler and similar tools to ease cross platform work, not just Windows. Used by more than 50 developers on their gems * Assisted gem developers to better integrate cross-platform tools in their workflow and ease their own native or cross platform compilations (not just Windows) * Ruby-Core committer, maintainer of MinGW platform support. * Maintainer of sqlite3-ruby, mysql and other gems that were left orphaned in the world. Help improve it's cross-platform support * Assisted on the creation of RailsInstaller * Active participation on most Ruby and Windows forums and from time to time on Rails ones attempting to assist users with difficulties. Sorry if I made you think that my comments were built without bases, I've been here doing this for quite some time and this is the picture that some parts of the community expose. Again, is not *everybody* that acts this way, there are a few. > > You can download binary packages of mysql and extract in your home > > directory, without installation. > > <snip other examples of non-admin installing> > > Yes, and with those exact same rights, you can install a portable copy > of VirtualBox. > You still need elevation of privileges to install networking, which defeats the purpose of portable. > > So, you're ignoring that things work differently, period. > > I'm ignoring nothing of the sort. I've never said (or ever recall > anyone else saying - though I'm willing to admin that I might have > missed a thread...please point me at it in the archives...) that these > things aren't possible. I *agree* with you that there are several > opportunities for people to develop on Windows. And if those tools are > increasing, so much the better. But when a person presents on this > list with some obscure OS-related problem, and does happen to be > working on a locked-down Windows machine, there is little to say but > "you really wouldn't have this problem if you were developing in *nix" > and "sorry, I don't use Windows, because when I did, I had problems > like these". > I agree, sometimes users reports problems in obscure ways that is hard to help, that happens to me too. What I feel bad about is that on those occurrences the answer is "install linux" a high percentage of the time. Again, this statement is coming from posts on Stackoverflow, ruby-talk and here, search for Rails Windows Install Linux and will see. Yet still, users that are linux ones still have issues dealing with Ruby, Rails and sometimes the contradictory indications they receive -- use apt-get to install Ruby versus install RVM or the missing pieces of Ruby they get when using apt. Again, please apologize if what I said did affect you personally, I'm not a native english speaker so sometimes the way things are expressed in my language do not translate properly to english. -- Luis Lavena -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
