Mark,
One thing that I forgot to comment on was how the flow architecture with its
splits and joins can be used to emulate "work flow patterns". I am VERY pleased
to see this as it (in my opinion) gives rules flow an enormous amount of
logical processing power that is just not present in an ordinary rules
processing environment.
Again, congratulations !!
Rich Halsey
"GENIUS IS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON"
....God grant me...
The senility to forget the people I never liked
The good fortune to run into the ones that I do
And the eyesight to tell the difference."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Proctor
To: Rules Dev List
Cc: Rich Halsey ; James C. Owen
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [rules-dev] Re: RuleFlow preview
Our implementation is a light layer to provide "wait states" for one or more
rules, it uses a similar principle to agenda-groups (Clips modules) to
partition the execution. Activated rules are placed in temporary buckets
(rule-flow-groups), instead of onto the agenda, when the rule-flow-group is
activated the bucket empties onto the Agenda for normal execution, when all the
emptied rules are fired the next rule-flow-groups are activated.
The system is still "parallel" in nature, in that the agenda is still
responsible for executing rules and the agenda can have more than one rule on
it at at time. In our implementation all the rules in the rule-flow-group will
be put onto the agenda for execution, at the same time standard rules can also
continue to be managed and executed by the agenda, and agenda groups (clips
modules) still continue to operate - all in parallel.
A rule that is specified to execute as part of a rule-flow-group can also be
part of an agenda-group, but that use case is discouraged because it can get
quite hairy unless you really know what you are doing :) As it means a
rule-flow-group can be activated, the rules moved onto their respective
agenda-groups, where any rules not in agenda-groups that do not have focus will
not fire, the next rule-flow-group will not activate untill all rules for the
current rule-flow-group have fired, regardless of the agenda-groups they are in.
The limitation at the moment is that the temporary bucket has no ability to
handle different start instances and differentiate between the rules in it's
bucket of the same rule-flow, but you can have multiple different rule flows
executing in parallel. We purposefuly kept it simple for "version 1" to build
up the functionality needed for rule flow. The use cases for parallel execution
of the same flow are not easy - as one instance can catch up and over take
another instance on the same flow. Also if a rule in a rule-flow-group
activates which of the two current instances for the same rule flow are
responsible for firing it? The same issue arrises for when you have the same
rule-flow-group in multiple rule-flows. We are currently not sure how best to
handle these types of situations; maybe you could help us on those use cases?
Or even provide a patch :)
Mark
Rich Halsey wrote:
Hi Mark,
The part in the document where it says:
"At this point, ruleflow-groups should not be reused in more than one
ruleflow, and you should not
start a new instance of a process before the previous one has ended."
will be the weak link in the chain, i.e. there should not be any reason why
rule-flow-groups should not be reused nor having multiple instances since rules
are implicitly parallel in operation. This was what I found to be the problem
with ILOG's JRules back in the v4.0 edition. It turned JRules into a clunky
procedural processing engine (which was not what we needed at that time).
However, I am very proud to see that Jboss Rules (JBRules) has successfully
evolved to this point. You (and your team) are to be commended for your efforts.
Tally-ho !!
Rich Halsey
"GENIUS IS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON"
....God grant me...
The senility to forget the people I never liked
The good fortune to run into the ones that I do
And the eyesight to tell the difference."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Proctor
To: Rules Dev List
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:12 AM
Subject: RuleFlow preview
I thought everyone on the dev list would be interested in reviewing and
providing feedback on Kris' excellent work on RuleFlow - includes screenshots :)
Mark
-------- Original Message -------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:51:29 +0100
From: Kris Verlaenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ruleflow
I've attached a document describing how ruleflow is implemented /
could be used in the future. If anyone has got any suggestions or
improvements (on the API I'm proposing, or things you would like to
see differently), just let me know asap.
I think I'll be able to commit a first working version on svn soon.
Still have to include conditional connections (where a connection is
only selected if its condition evaluates to true), and some smaller
stuff.
Kris
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