There are VEY significant differences between the construction of a B&O "wagon top" box car and the PRR/N&W/SAL "round roof" cars. The B&O car has sides and roof that are one piece, the side sheet curves over to become the roof sheet (I think there is a seam in the center). The PRR cars are basiclly an ARA boxcar with seperate roof that happens to have rounded eves (to clear the loading gauge). Of note is the point that some PRR cars had eves that overhang the sides while others had "inset" eves. The B&O car has NO eves at all.
Plans for the B&O car were published in Mainline Modeler: The B&O wagontop boxcar Mainline Modeler, November 1982 page 21 ( B&O, "BARNARD, EILEEN", "BARNARD, JULIAN", BOXCAR, DRAWING, "JONES, DWIGHT", "LENINGTON, GEORGE D.", WAGONTOP, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, MM ) Prototype Perspective: B&O Wagontop variations Mainline Modeler, December 1982 page 60 ( B&O, BOXCAR, "FREEMAN, JEFF", WAGONTOP, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, MM ) I don't have the issue handy, but I think the rib contour is shown in detail. The "Round Roof" cars have been written up in Model Railroading, Railmodel Journal and S/Sn3 Modeling Guide. Freight Cars of the Fifties: Round Roof Box Cars, Part I Model Railroading, August 1987 page 38 ( BOXCAR, "HENDRICKSON, RICHARD", N&W, PRR, ROUNDROOF, SAL, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, MRG ) Freight Cars of the Fifties: Round Roof Box Cars, Part II Model Railroading, October 1987 page 52 ( BOXCAR, PRR, ROUNDROOF, WAB, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, MRG ) Railmodel Journal, February 1996 page 14 ( 50FOOT, BOXCAR, "BURG, RICHARD", D&M, DT&I, HBS, N&W, NP, OP&E, PRR, ROUNDROOF, RS&P, TA&G, TSE, VGN, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, RMJ ) Pennsylvania Round Roof Boxcars S/Sn3 Modeling Guide, April 1996 ( BOXCAR, PRR, ROUNDROOF, FREIGHTCAR, SSN3 ) All references are from the Kalmbach Model Train Magazine Index. Pieter --- In [email protected], Rollain Mercier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and he notes - > > The term I've heard is a "Wagon Top Boxcar", usually identified with B&O's > versions. There is a neat site with one under construction for a live steam > operation. It not S Gauge but it does show the shape of the ribs as well as > other construction details. Each page takes you through the next phase of > construction to the finished car: > > http://www.trainweb. org/jlsrr/livesteam/wagon-top-boxcar/wagon-top-1/wagon-top-1.htm > > (Another plan for a B&O wagon-top boxcar appears in Model Railroader, > December 1964) > > The Pennsy had 'em too (PRR X31b Wagon-Top Boxcar is an example) but the > ribs were inside. A drawing can be found at: > > http://paintshop.railfan.net/images/moldover/x31b_boxcar.html > > The term "Wagon Top" is used to describe the roof. But since B&O was the > only road to put the ribs on the outside it has been identified with that > term. On both the PRR and B&O cars, the ribs are extended 'U' shapes for > riveting to the sides and roofs, which on the B&O were one piece > panels. The difference in the PRR cars is the supports are inside and the > construction is more like a regular freight car with seams and inside > longitudinal framing. > > Incidentally, this site has dozens of plans for locos and rolling stock: > > http://paintshop.railfan.net/ > > The B&O parleyed this idea with covered hoppers and cabooses too. You can > own one their cabooses if you like: > > http://www.trains-trams-trolleys.com/equipment/caboose/9000/ > > Set it out next to a lake and fish from the bay window! > > Raleigh > > At 08:46 PM 1/6/2005, Jamie Bothwell wrote: > > > >On Thursday, January 6, 2005, at 05:34 PM, Bill Fraley wrote: > > > > > Most important of all, Frank Titman, designed and sold this kit under > > > his > > > Lehigh Valley Models label and it ain't a bad looker! And you Jamie, a > > > very > > > good modeler, saying such things! Tsk! Tsk! > > > > > > So There, > > > "S"incerely, > > > Bill > > > > > > >Hi All, > > Well once again I've offended Bill and I'm not sure why. Maybe he > >took my comments to be demeaning of the LVM kit. I was talking about > >the real car. I know we talk about rib sided hoppers, but I wasn't > >sure if you could say, "Rib sided boxcar..." Frank is a friend of > >mine, and I was certainly not implying that his kit was lacking. I > >thought the wire was an excellent choice until last summer when I took > >a closer look at a real boxcar. Even then it didn't hit me that there > >was a way to improve the kit until I found out about the triangle > >shaped styrene. And Bill, isn't that what we're trying to do, build > >better models? > >Jamie Bothwell > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
