Thanks to Jim & Rollie for their input. I actually shot a slide of "The New England Zepher" (my name for it) at Edaville in June, 1966. A side note, true or not, the story I got was the difficulty of moving standard gauge equipment led Nelson Blount to find a different place for such and thus, Steamtown. Rollie probably can straighten out that story and fill in the details.
Have a Happy Easter, everyone. Chuck Porter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rollain Mercier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "raisinone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale Modeling] Re: Zephyrs, Flying Yankee, etc.... > > and he notes - > > There is an excellent website on the "Pioneer Zephyr" with history, > drawings, cars that were added, etc. here: > > http://www.prototrains.com/pioneer/pioneer.html > > At the same time Burlington ordered it's train, the Boston & Maine/Maine > Central ordered a copy for service between Boston and Bangor Maine. It was > dubbed "The Flying Yankee" in 1935 although that name train operated for > many years previous with steam power and again after the train was moved to > the Boston-Littleton, NH run and renamed "The Mountaineer". It ran on that > route for a few years and then was switched to the Boston to White River > Jct. (via Keene, NH) route and renamed "The Cheshire". > > After the War, it moved again to the Boston - Troy, NY run and again > renamed "The Minute Man", which was formerly a Boston to Chicago train > connecting with the New York Central at Albany. The name changed again in > the 50s as it returned to the Boston - Portland run as "The Businessman". > It spent its final months in commuter service between Boston & Lawrence, > Ma.was retired in 1957, a victim of another Budd product, the RDC. > > I rode in the train back in the 50s as far as Lawrence on a photo jaunt. It > was threadbare and showing its age, (albeit helped by McGinniss's policy on > skipping maintenance and the arrival of strings of Budd RDCs). It > languished at Edaville for 40 years and when they folded in the 90s it was > sold to a resort in Glen, NH, near North Conway. When they found out how > much it would cost to restore it, they donated it to the State of New > Hampshire who is having it rebuilt at a shop in Claremont, NH with private > subscriptions. (I understand it's already topped the 2.5 Million Dollar > mark with another 1.5 Megabucks needed to finish the job. Who says brass > prices are high!) > > So with five different names to choose from, the "Flying Yankee" was > actually one of the shortest lived, yet it persists. Interesting that > railroaders used to call it the 6000, its road number. Interesting also is > the fact that, like it's Burlington counterpart, it was also involved in a > collision, though not as extensive as the Zephyr's. Interesting again is > the name "Flying Yankee' was also used by the B&M/MeC's airline back in the > early 30's, (before the streamliner arrived), and anyone interested in > ships will find it as a medium Clipper built in 1852 at Franklin, Maine. It > was wrecked a couple of times and renamed twice. Guess misfortune goes with > the name > > If the State ever gets off it duff and finishes the 6000's restoration by > the planned festival this summer in Lincoln, NH I may get to ride in it > again, (not holding my breath though...) > > Raleigh > > > > At 10:57 PM 3/24/2005, raisinone wrote: > > > >--- In [email protected], "Edward Loizeaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > Hi Wally (and others)... > > > > > > It appears that there are several different "Zephyrs" or "Zephyrlike > > > trains" and it is unclear, at the present, as to who is referring to > > > what. Here is my interpretation: > > > > >Ed, et al: > > > >The Pioneer Zephyr made a wide circuit in its 1934 promotional tour. > >Actually more of a 'zig-zag' which included a good bit of NYC and PRR > >trackage. One of the Morningsun books (I believe) has a photo of the > >3 unit set under Pennsy wires near Trenton and Heimburger's book on > >pre-War streamliners has an extensive list of station's visited. > > > >"Zephyr" was simply a name the CB&Q applied to their fleet of trains, > >similar to CRI&P's "Rockets", UP's "Cities" and the Milwaukee > >Road's "Hiawatha's". The Twin City and Mark Twain Zephyr's were also > >shovel nose articulared Budd train sets. Most of the other named > >Zephyrs were non-articulared, although the original Denver Zephyr had > >a shovel nosed locomotive, all the cars were independently coupled. > > > >The three advertised shovel nose S scale models should be in our > >hands by the end of April. The sample has been cruising our local > >club layout several times. The painted, LED lit car interiors are > >really pretty nifty, but then again I'm hardly a neutral observer... > > > >Jim > >River Raisin > >http://www.riverraisinmodels.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to > >reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail > >software, but it works on some of the most common ones. For those of you > >on DIGEST mode, all REPLY messages go to the list. > > > >Change your membership, change your message settings, use our CALENDAR, > >view shared files or photos, view the list archives, GO TO > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll results are in....... To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL, to reply to the sender, use REPLY. I do NOT know if this works on all e-mail software, but it works on some of the most common ones. 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