I decided to use #5 couplers instead of the #802's. I did some testing and
while a under track magnet seems to work OK the electro-magnets on my main
line are not so sure.

What would it take to install a longer trip pin? What type of wire would be
needed? Has there been any conversion articles on this? Also I need to
figure out how I will handle uncoupling both gauges on dual gauge track.

Thanks

Don McGovern

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Werre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:13 AM
To: Wallace Collins
Cc: 'Don McGovern'; 'S-Scale'; 'Sn3'; 'NWNG-Sn3Group'
Subject: Re: S-Scale Modeling S Standard Couplers


Folks,  I have been fighting this problem for some time, I prefer the
smaller size of the converted  and unconverted #5's.  They also seem to
work better with the under the tie magnets and electro magnetics that I
have.  On the other hand since they are getting hard to come by, I have
switched to the 802's and the newer SHS version for some of my cars and
engines.  They are more forgiving on my trackage( I do have some up's
and down's) especially on longer cars.  Problem is that the bigger box
of the 802's and the slightly weird mounting arrangement on the SHS
version can cause mounting problems especially on the older models.
     Just yesterday I was doing some switching in my coal mine area, I
had brought in some cars with #5's and everything worked fine.  I later
picked up those cars and dropped off a couple of hoppers with the 802's
but refused to uncouple--very frustrating as the siding is hard to get
too to hand uncouple.
     I have long ago wished for a true S sized coupler with the
simplicity of the #5.  HO has the advantages of numerous arrangements of
their couplers--hi mounting, low mounting and different length shanks
etc.  I have mentioned this before as an ideal business to be in--make
something that every piece of rolling stock can use!  Wouldn't it be
nice if the hi-rail guys and the scale guys all used similar couplers!
 I know, where's the 50K for tooling--but one can wish!

Bob Werre

Wallace Collins wrote:

>That was John Bortz from the Lehigh Valley group.  John did a great job for
>S scalers but when Kadee came out with the 802  I guess demand dropped off.
>Many like me replaced the Bortz couplers with 802s and I gave over 100 of
>them away.  I know some like Dick Karnes still use and likes the smaller
>ones.  Maybe somebody on this list can help supply you with some unused
>ones.  BTW John is still alive and kicking.  He is into live steam now but
>still attends the Central Jersey Get Togethers, where I last saw him.
Great
>fellow!  Wally Collins
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>From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Don McGovern
>Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:54 PM
>To: S-Scale; Sn3; NWNG-Sn3Group
>Subject: S-Scale Modeling S Standard Couplers
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>Years ago someone offered Kadee HO couplers with longer uncoupling pins for
>S scale. Are they still in business?
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>Don McGovern
>Dubuque IA,
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