You all
I previously replied to John off list about the container idea a few days ago.  
I recommend that way of communicating.  But now I must respond to Billy Clicks 
objection to the appearance of the container.  It does not require a great deal 
of thought to realize that you might begin by painting out the Chop Chou Bling 
Foo or whatever is painted on the side of the container.  I would suggest that 
as a bare minimum, other wise your neighbors might think you are operating a 
takie-outie  Chinese restaurant with out a license, resulting in long lines 
down your driveway or litigation, neither desirable options.  If they know you 
are a model train person they already hold you suspect.  Then moving right 
along there are about five hundred thousand exterior materials that can be 
applied to cover up the corrugations, same with roof, wow what a concept,  but 
it does require a little imagination, but then imagination is the charm of S 
Scale isn't it?   And if you are an S scaler it logically follows that you are 
both thoughtful and intelligent, doesn't it?
ek parson, the Christiansburg Curmudgeon in East Tennessee  

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Messages In This Digest (18 Messages)  
1a. Mu hoses for diesels From: Edward Davis  
1b. Re: Mu hoses for diesels From: Don Thompson  
1c. Mu hoses for diesels - Detail Associates S Scale From: dphobbies  
1d. Re: [SSTOT] Mu hoses for diesels From: Furmanak, Stan  
2a. Re: [S-Trains] I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will From: 
Bill Clark  
3. Fw: {S-Scale List} Mu hoses for diesels From: Gerry Evans  
4a. Re: A cooler rebuttal From: Bill Roberts  
4b. Re: A cooler rebuttal From: Val Pistilli  
5a. Re: S Scale Magazines From: Bob Werre  
5b. Re: S Scale Magazines From: David Heine  
6a. Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Layout In A Shed : Pros & Cons From: Billy 
Click  
7. truck trade From: Bill Lane  
8. Samhongsa Gearbox From: Bill Lane  
9a. Re: Layout In A Shed : Pros & Cons From: John Degnan  
10. BASS modules video on Youtube From: Art Armstrong  
11. BASS Video apology From: Art Armstrong  
12. Fw: BASS video From: Art Armstrong  
13a. Re: New S Scale Correction & Recall From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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1a. Mu hoses for diesels  
Posted by: "Edward Davis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   edandhdavis  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:35 am (PST)  
Hi,

Does anyone know where I can get mu hoses for diesels? Does Detail Associates 
have a website or catalog available?

Ed Davis
Stockton, Ca

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1b. Re: Mu hoses for diesels  
Posted by: "Don Thompson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   dont08901  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:10 am (PST)  
Dear Ed,
If you like the ones on our SHS F units or switchers, we have extra.  
The F units MU hoses (plastic model, not wire) were shot in ABS or Delrin
Best,
Don

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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know where I can get mu hoses for diesels? Does Detail  
> Associates have a website or catalog available?
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> Ed Davis
> Stockton, Ca
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1c. Mu hoses for diesels - Detail Associates S Scale  
Posted by: "dphobbies" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   dphobbies  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:13 am (PST)  
Ed:

Detail Associates is no longer in the S Scale business. We puchased  
their tooling a couple years ago and have been sitting on it until  
all the old stock has run down. Some of the parts they offered  
actually were developed to be used on a couple of our kits, so it was  
a natural we bought them.

Most of the S Scale line should reappear integrated in to our S Scale  
America line sometime in '08.

About the MU hoses, they neverer offered any in S Scale.

Regards,

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies/S SScale America
1468 Lee Street
Des Plines, IL 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax: 1-847-297-4976

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1d. Re: [SSTOT] Mu hoses for diesels  
Posted by: "Furmanak, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   stanannville  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:32 am (PST)  
Ed-

The S scale part of Detail Associates is actually a product line owned by Ron 
Sebastian and now available only through Des Plaines. I don't know if MU hoses 
were ever a part of this line of details.

If you want brass MU, try

http://www.btsrr.com/btsdet01.htm

02006 MU HOSES EMD PKG(16) $ 4.75

Stan Furmanak
Annville, PA

Hi,

Does anyone know where I can get mu hoses for diesels? Does Detail Associates 
have a website or catalog available?

Ed Davis
Stockton, Ca


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2a. Re: [S-Trains] I want to try the turn out for 148 AM track that will  
Posted by: "Bill Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   billclarkvelocette  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:01 am (PST)  
Tom's Turnouts and Trackwork:

http://www.tomsturnouts.com/index.html

Bill

At 03:43 AM 12/26/2007, JAMES SLEETH wrote:

>So guys I need the name of the manufacturer and your feed back if it  
>does work?
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>I would also like feed back the AM Crossovers as well.
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3. Fw: {S-Scale List} Mu hoses for diesels  
Posted by: "Gerry Evans" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   gerrye2  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:54 am (PST)  

ED:
In addition to the MU hoses Don T. mentioned from SHS, Bill Wade, BTS, stocks 
MU hoses with brass glad-hands.
Gerry Evans
In Flagstaff

Hi,

Does anyone know where I can get mu hoses for diesels? Does Detail Associates 
have a website or catalog available?

Ed Davis
Stockton, Ca

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4a. Re: A cooler rebuttal  
Posted by: "Bill Roberts" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrobwrob  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:28 am (PST)  

> Posted by: "ctxmf74" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctxmf74
> Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:44 pm ((PST))
>
> <. . .> More scale modelers read the big two magazines and it would  
> be most productive to let those readers see that S is a true scale  
> modeling option. S scalers should be encouraged to submit articles  
> <. . .> a good dose of S modeling exposure might create some  
> interest among the large flock of HO and N scale readers. <. . .>

Get S scale articles into magazines? Sound great! How about throwing  
in some cash as an incentive? Even better!

The NASG has been doing something like this for twenty years:

http://www.nasg.org/awards.html

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4b. Re: A cooler rebuttal  
Posted by: "Val Pistilli" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   val_pistilli  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:53 pm (PST)  
For any magazine to have an S Scale column, someone will have to  
write it! I don't think they could break anyone loose to support a  
scale that, truthfully, has a small following.

I am a recent convert and I find that it is a great scale. There  
isn't everything in the world for it 'off the shelf'. Allows you to  
be creative. Do some scratch building, bashing, adapting just to get  
what you want. It gives me a great sense of satisfaction that I  
didn't get from my days in HO.

I belong to the PRRT&HS. They have a monthly hobby newsletter that  
is posted on their website http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/  
Keystone_Modeler.htm
This could be a way to get the monthly column together. Modelers  
subscribe to the newsletter and a notice goes out when it is  
available for download from the PRRT&HS web site. Check it out. I  
understand that the B&O society has something like this too.

It could be made to be non-prototype specific and contain articles on  
S Scale subjects. There will have to be articles submitted from  
modelers about something they have done.

Now, we need an editor!! Don't all run for cover. There should be  
someone with background that goes back a number of years, who is  
probably retired, has a way with words, and maybe lives in the center  
of Pennsylvania. Not mentioning any names..........

Start writing those S Scale E-Articles!

Val Pistilli
NASG
Lehigh Valley S Gaugers
NMRA
MER

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5a. Re: S Scale Magazines  
Posted by: "Bob Werre" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   gpnrr  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:49 am (PST)  
Way back in the day, the S Gaugian did have sn3 articles mixed in with  
all the other fragments of S. In fact at one time PBL ran a double page  
centerfold type ad shot by Malcom Furrow. I think when he started the  
seperate publication the Gaugian lost much of it's scale mix. My  
opinion is that the Sn3 Modeler is a 'better' magazine perhaps because  
he has a longer lead time to round up articles and there are more narrow  
gauge guys than standard gauge scale guys to submit articles. I know  
that I relate much more to narrow gauge than I do to AF/hiral. At the  
moment the Gazette is my main magazine for techniques and actual  
modeling since Mainline Modeler died.  

At this time I should also mention that I consider Don Heimberger a good  
friend (we have shared a couple of adult drinks together) and I do  
purchase his magazine occasionally, buy his books and have purchased  
much product from S scenery. The cover and sometimes great articles  
have been published, overall the insides of the magazine has always been  
a bit of a problem for many. This ranges from lack of in-depth articles  
to some of the ads that have been run for years without change. I can  
recall ads from Don Lawrence stating 'no other trains but AF would be  
tolerated', and another ad that ran for a long time for some collector  
trying to find engines with the brass button on the frame, or the ads  
for repro rubber roadbed. These were half page very boring ads that ran  
sometimes for years without change. Others have mentioned that the  
magazine was just a big catalogue for S scenery's ads. Magazines can  
and do set standards for the ads they accept, as well as, the editorial  
content they accept.

Dave is of course, correct, that one can only publish what is sent in.  
I just think a publisher eliminates many possibilities when you announce  
in your masthead that no payment will be made. I think a token payment,  
contests and other incentives would help the editorial content.

Bob Werre
BobWphoto.com

David Heine wrote:

> Continuing the Don Heimburger saga:
>
> Actually Don does publish an S scale only magazine; Sn3 Modeler. Sn3
> Modeler is semi-annual, and the content is nothing like the S Gaugian. It
> is probably closer to what the non-hirail/AF S gauge community would like,
> except the track gauge is narrower. Again it proves that Don can only
> publish what he receives.
>
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
>
> Dave Heine
> Easton, PA
>
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5b. Re: S Scale Magazines  
Posted by: "David Heine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   davesn3  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:21 pm (PST)  
Bob,

I remember those days of Sn3 articles in the S Gaugian, mostly by Bob Sloan.
In that era, a lot of Bob's articles were ideas on HO to Sn3 conversion,
several of which I built. Bob Sloan was one of the old "encyclopedias" of
narrow gauge knowledge, and a true "rubber gauger". We are fortunate that
he spent some of his time in S scale. I ran into him at the NNGC this year;
he was in a wheelchair but his mind was as sharp as ever.

I think you are thinking of P-B-L's first brass locomotive, a K-37, on a
module Malcom Furrow built.

There were more than a few narrow gaugers who read Mainline Modeler. I was
turned onto it by a local On3 modeler after initially ignoring it because of
its title. I still get too many magazines; but the Gazette has been my
favorite for years.

Actually, I think the best thing to do help S gauge is to spend less time
lamenting about S scale on the internet and more time working on a layout,
module, or diorama and then showing it off to the local model railroaders
and taking some pictures and spreading them around via what ever means
available (magazine, web, local train meet, etc).

Dave Heine
Easton, PA
Working a layout with 3 track gauges, but all S scale.

Way back in the day, the S Gaugian did have sn3 articles mixed in with  
all the other fragments of S. In fact at one time PBL ran a double page  
centerfold type ad shot by Malcom Furrow. I think when he started the  
seperate publication the Gaugian lost much of it's scale mix. My  
opinion is that the Sn3 Modeler is a 'better' magazine perhaps because  
he has a longer lead time to round up articles and there are more narrow  
gauge guys than standard gauge scale guys to submit articles. I know  
that I relate much more to narrow gauge than I do to AF/hiral. At the  
moment the Gazette is my main magazine for techniques and actual  
modeling since Mainline Modeler died.  

At this time I should also mention that I consider Don Heimberger a good  
friend (we have shared a couple of adult drinks together) and I do  
purchase his magazine occasionally, buy his books and have purchased  
much product from S scenery. The cover and sometimes great articles  
have been published, overall the insides of the magazine has always been  
a bit of a problem for many. This ranges from lack of in-depth articles  
to some of the ads that have been run for years without change. I can  
recall ads from Don Lawrence stating 'no other trains but AF would be  
tolerated', and another ad that ran for a long time for some collector  
trying to find engines with the brass button on the frame, or the ads  
for repro rubber roadbed. These were half page very boring ads that ran  
sometimes for years without change. Others have mentioned that the  
magazine was just a big catalogue for S scenery's ads. Magazines can  
and do set standards for the ads they accept, as well as, the editorial  
content they accept.

Dave is of course, correct, that one can only publish what is sent in.  
I just think a publisher eliminates many possibilities when you announce  
in your masthead that no payment will be made. I think a token payment,  
contests and other incentives would help the editorial content.

Bob Werre
BobWphoto.com


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6a. Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] Layout In A Shed : Pros & Cons  
Posted by: "Billy Click" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   billyclick  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:55 am (PST)  
John,

Most of us that live in the South are sorely lacking in basements. In my  
last house I built a "basement in the sky" by adding a car port to my  
house and raising the roof a mere 8 feet, resulting in a 24X30  
windowless properly wired and lighted room, a great area for S scale.  
That is not possible or practical where I currently live so I'm also  
faced with building, (or acquiring), a train building.

My current inspiration is Cliff Powers MA&G Magnolia Route, (HO),  
http://magnoliaroute.com/magnolia%20route.htm , which is housed in a  
portable building which he has moved to a new location once. I think a  
reasonable S layout could be achieved in the same space which is close  
to the dimensions you mentioned.

Although I do not have zoning restrictions where I live, my live-in code  
enforcer has specified that whatever I do must conform in outward  
appearance to her perception of what looks good. So I cannot use John  
Oglesby's container suggestion or an "ugly",(whatever that is), portable  
building but maybe more like Dave suggested by building a stick  
structure. The problem with the construction of a dedicated train  
building is that the desired layout space normally approaches gymnasium  
sized proportions while practical monetary restrictions suggests  
construction of a small branch line. So what size to build the building?  
The reason I have not started on a building is that I cannot come to a  
compromise on a trackplan that I want to build in a space that I think I  
can afford.

In a way the folks that have a basement or other finite predefined  
layout, (maybe a portable building), space are lucky in the sense that  
they know they have to "paint their layout" into the restrictions of  
their "canvas".

I look forward to further discussions on this thread. Maybe it will help  
me to get on and build something.

Billy Click

John Degnan wrote:
>
> I'm playing with the idea of building my home layout in one of those  
> portable storage sheds. Outside of the general climate control issues  
> that lead to expansion and contraction of the benchwork, track and  
> models, what sort of other issues might I run into?
>
> The building I intend to buy if I decide to go this route is the  
> "Utility" model seen on the web site below :
>
> a.. http://www.cookstuff.com <http://www.cookstuff.com>
> Along with a "lease to own" purchase plan, this company offers various  
> options on their buildings such as different size doors and windows.  
> So what would be good options for window sizes and the heights of  
> these windows? Any other thoughts?
>
> The size of the buinding will be 12' X 32' (outer dimensions).
>
> John Degnan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net>
> The Southeastern Railway
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7. truck trade  
Posted by: "Bill Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wdlane  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:11 pm (PST)  
Hi All,

I decided to get a small On30 log train together for my WSLC shay. Perhaps
you dabble in On30 as well. I would like to trade the Bachmann On30 trucks
for S scale standard gauge. (Not Hirail wheels)  

First choice for me would be Downs arch bar trucks. Second choice would be S
Helper service trucks (any mixture of them except roller bearing.)  

I just won 1) 3 pack of the Bachmann log cars. I may win another 3 pack in
about 1/2 hour and a caboose for 7 cars total at least to start. Please
reply directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your trade offer.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

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It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com  
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8. Samhongsa Gearbox  
Posted by: "Bill Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wdlane  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:55 pm (PST)  
HI All,

I decided to get my 2 Omnicon PRR I1 put of the box and get them prepped for
painting. For me that is usually a very long involved process of detailing
and customizing. But this time I am really trying to keep the brass bashing
to a minimum in order to get them really completed in the about 1 month
window I have before school starts again.

My I1 and some of the other PRR engines were made by Samhongsa in the mid
80s to the early 1990s. They have the free rolling gearbox which makes them
run incredibly well. A new never run K4 won the all scales performance
contest right out of the box at a NMRA National convention shortly after
they were released. But I have never really been a fan of the free rolling
gearbox. 1 of my K4 almost ran away form me on a grade. I have had an idea
how the gearbox works for years but was hesitant until now to poke my head
in there to really take a look. I wanted to figure out how to disable the
free rolling gearbox without sacrificing the great running capabilities.

After WAY too much time spent, I finally got it figured out.
http://www.lanestrains.com/Samhongsa_Gearbox.jpg The worm gear is obviously
missing in the top of the gearbox. I custom made a threaded bushing to
replace 1 of the gears on the rocker arm. There was a high loss rate when
making the bushing because it is rather small and had to be pretty precise.
My Unimats are passable on a good day, but are not overly true and accurate.
My fix is completely adjustable to engage the gears properly, and can be
done with the drive running. The 2-56 screw is grooved to turn in the hole I
drilled in the gearbox housing. In the small test I made, I am convinced the
screw will not rotate and loose adjustment.

But the best part of it is, with the exception of the 1 small hole I
drilled, the gearbox can very easily be reverted back to the free rolling
drive by replacing the gear I removed. It is a little complex in one
respect, but rather simple in another. The original time consumption was
figuring out how to mount the 2-56 screw outside the gearbox without taking
up lots of space, and have the screw pivot with the angle change as it is
adjusted. The grooved screw is just what was needed.

I just thought I would share my little fix here. I am pretty happy with the
whole thing.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com  
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

See my Altoona train videos here http://www.myspace.com/billlane  

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9a. Re: Layout In A Shed : Pros & Cons  
Posted by: "John Degnan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   scaler164  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:09 pm (PST)  
Some additional thoughts and comments on this idea...

ALL "portable" sheds (at least in "the great state of Georgia") are limited to 
12' wide to allow transportion down public roads without a special permit. What 
width they are limited to WITH a special permit (and, I'm sure, a hefty fee), I 
have no idea.

So, if I'm going to go this route instead of building a permanent structure 
(which would also require permits and fees), I'm going to be very limited in 
width - 12' O.D. with about 11'5" I.D. with bare studs or 11'4" insulated and 
finished with 1/2" plywood (or drywall). THEREFORE... I'm looking at being 
limited to (at best) curve radii of no more than 64" max at best, which would 
leave room for nothing more than a backdrop between the trains and the wall. 
The wider the curve the better, but I want more than a backdrop behind the 
tracks... and I'm not at all interested in a basic, around-the-wall (oval) 
layout. So, what to do... hmmm...

.. Ah ha! What about a "MUSHROOM" style layout? Although limited to 12' O.D. in 
width, the shed I'm considering is 32' long O.D. and would therefore leave 
quite a good bit of room (31'4" to be exact (finished)), so that length should 
enable me to work in some elevations to reach the second (and subsequent) 
level(s) as well as a zig-zag (or two) from one side of the shed to the other 
side to give the layout some flare. I'm even thinking of trying to work in a 
walk-under bridge as the layout does one of its zig-zags from one side to the 
other... that would be neat! The sketches are drawn, and I'm about to try and 
draft them to see what really can be done. This drafting will be the decision 
maker... if it can be done, I may just go ahead with it.

John Degnan
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10. BASS modules video on Youtube  
Posted by: "Art Armstrong" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   s_scale2001  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:16 pm (PST)  
Here is a nice video of the BASS modules in action. I don't know the date The 
attraction to me was the string of reefers . I counted 32 cars - at least half 
of them SHS. Sorry - I could not catch the numbers.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3h2mOgCaiQ

Art A

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11. BASS Video apology  
Posted by: "Art Armstrong" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   s_scale2001  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:31 pm (PST)  
My apologies to all -

I goofed when I copied the video address and sent the wrong (if you had not 
noticed) URL.

I guess I am lucky - it could have been worse.

If I can find the video again I will try again. - It is very nice.

Art

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12. Fw: BASS video  
Posted by: "Art Armstrong" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   s_scale2001  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:14 pm (PST)  
This is the right one - sorry about the mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OXP1yaIzg

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13a. Re: New S Scale Correction & Recall  
Posted by: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   charlie4150  
Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:20 pm (PST)  
Ron
If you can, save me one of the missing N, C&NW cars.  
It will probably become a collector item.
I will have fun running it around when the rivet counters, and spell  
checkers are over.  

Chuck West


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