Just like you comrade, what you say may also haunt you forever. Perhaps its important that we took initiative to mobilise people who do not want to be associated with any political party because of many different reasons. Its all for a noble cause, the liberation of Swaziland as entrenched in my organasation
What united all the Swazi people gathered in that house was their common desire to contribute towards a lasting solution to the crisis faced by our people and country, hence the engagement even on difficult, complex and sometimes uncomfortable issues, such as what caused the crisis, who must take responsibility and whereto for our country? We also reflected on what can be done collectively to organise the Swazi people to discuss openly about these issues and bring to bear their skills and energies towards a fundamental solution. On the discipline issue cadre, its most welcome, and also it must reign openly and fairly across to many who have been at fault. Amandla Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: mkhululi nkosi <mkhululink...@gmail.com> Sender: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:35:06 To: <sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Another Alliance? Contradiction! You call for unity & division at the same time. We shall deal with your conduct Sbera. I personally will raise it with my region and ensure that you are dealt with. Just before i lose my composure you may know that the movement you proclaim to save is guided by lenin and marx philosophy and as you know internationalism is the guiding light. Sbera I myself iam no marxist but iam bound by the policies of the movement. i would not advocate a narrow nationalist agenda as you are doing because that is exactly that the movement is fughting against. you will grow up one day and learn to respect may it would too late. what you say today may follow you the rest of your life. On 7/10/11, zwakele.nsiba...@gmail.com <zwakele.nsiba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Asking about funding and other things not related, we invited swazis as > individuals and irespective of the affiliation to any organasation. If we > decide we will fight against each other and take the eye off the "ball" it > might haunt us > > Also Chief, I don't know where the soccer issue comes up here. I'm no > political toddler,infact I am sure you all welcome at the launch of this > Diaspora Platform. Again, why should individuals -swazi's- to be precise, > owe it to certain internatinalist everytime they plan to engage openly and > in a forum outside an organasation with a political tag. We all want the > same thing for Swaziland. > > Asiyoze sitsengise ngemzabalazo. > > Unity is strenght > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mkhululi nkosi <mkhululink...@gmail.com> > Sender: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:47:50 > To: <sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Another Alliance? > > Cdes, > Its fine comrades organize the forum but the language and arrogance > displaced by Sbera and Ntenteza when we were merely seeking more > information on the forum is alien to the traditions of the movement. > These cdes are too much of themselves insulting internationalist is > dispeakable. Sbera this is not soccer its a struggle of the oppressed > masses holiganism has no place. Martin may have to organize a > political school for you. In fact both of you are an embarassment to > Martin Msuku a respected internalist. > > > > > > On 7/10/11, teresa debly <tde...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> the first mention of the diaspora on this forum was a couple days ago and >> it was called a "political formation" but that has been cleared up so we >> can >> call it a "platform process"...but what is not clear is this: who was >> invited to the hotel gathering on teh 25th? >> >> sometimes mail from this group is flown into my spam folder (when a new >> address is not recognized) so i've just scanned the "discussions" over on >> our google group page and don't see any notice about the 25th event. >> >> >> Simphiwe, i assume you are an organizer since you mention it a couple days >> back and now have posted this summary. have i overlooked the notice or was >> something sent here as well? >> >> specifically, since i will be in Jz on the upcoming date i wonder if i (a >> canadian as you and Sbera have pointed out in previous emails) qualify to >> attend? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Simphiwe Ntenteza <ntent...@gmail.com> >> To: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:45:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Another Alliance? >> >> Pius, >> >> It is not a Political formation... >> >> Please read summary below. >> >> Swazi Diaspora Platform Process outcomes - Swazi initiative a great >> success >> >> Following informal discussions amongst several Swazis based in South >> Africa on the crisis facing our country and related issues, a meeting >> was held on the 25th June at Parktonian hotel which was open to all >> Swazis based outside Swaziland. The meeting discussed the following >> issues based on presentations made by experts; >> • SACU and the economic crisis facing Swaziland >> • Analysing economic trends in Swaziland >> • Process towards the launch of a Swazi Diaspora Platform >> The presentation on the socio-economic impact of HIV/AIDS was shifted >> to the launching meeting for presentation and discussion. >> It was a meeting filled with great enthusiasm, energy, anger and >> passion. Swazis from all walks of life, different persuasions and >> backgrounds, as well as different destinations, as far as Nelspruit >> and Durban and other places throughout South Africa, assembled in >> Johannesburg (from where the majority of participants came) for a >> critical reflection on the developments back home and the worrying >> trends our country is destined for. The discussions were open and >> honest, yet very constructive and mature. >> What united all the Swazi people gathered in that house was their >> common desire to contribute towards a lasting solution to the crisis >> faced by our people and country, hence the engagement even on >> difficult, complex and sometimes uncomfortable issues, such as what >> caused the crisis, who must take responsibility and whereto for our >> country? We also reflected on what can be done collectively to >> organise the Swazi people to discuss openly about these issues and >> bring to bear their skills and energies towards a fundamental >> solution. >> It was clear from the meeting that all of us are united in our >> undivided love for our country and people, hence our interest in >> playing our own role towards finding a real solution and making change >> happen in a way that should make every Swazi proud of our country and >> its people. We have no doubt our country is well endowed with abundant >> natural resources, as well as hard working and skilled people. >> However, factors such as lack of competent leadership, poor planning >> and management, corruption, dwindling investment opportunities and >> SACU accruals, as well as sheer nepotism in the recruitment and >> deployment of personnel into management positions in the country’s >> public service, explain the situation the country finds itself in. >> In this regard, therefore, it was further agreed that we must not >> allow anything to stand in the way of our unity as Swazis, if we are >> to make the desired impact and contribute meaningfully to genuine >> change in our beloved country. >> We also emphasised that the bedrock of our unity is respect for our >> diversity and the different opinions we represent, but are united in >> our resolve to make Swaziland a better place for all, through change >> that opens space for all Swazis to participate and shape their >> country’s destiny, as well as guarantee better conditions of life >> through accountable and transparent governance processes. >> We then agreed to develop a platform that brings us all together, >> without any one group or views dominating or excluding others in our >> common agenda for full and free participation in all these efforts. >> It was agreed that doing something good and just for our country and >> people is a moral and personal responsibility for all of us, hence the >> fact that we cannot enjoy good life in other countries while our >> people suffer and our country is on fire, not for natural causes, but >> for human made challenges. >> It was then agreed that the process forward shall be constituted in >> the following way; >> • A launch of the Swazi Diaspora Platform shall be held on the >> 30th July, 2011 in Johannesburg 9exact venue to be announced in due >> course) >> • All Swazis, regardless of views, beliefs, social status, >> religion and backgrounds shall be invited to participate >> • A brief document outlining principles of the platform shall >> be developed to ensure it meets the expectations and accommodates the >> interest of everyone willing to participate, it shall also elaborate >> the mission and functions of this body in a way that does not alienate >> others. >> • It shall link Swazis based in South Africa with their >> counterparts all over the world to exchange views and opinions on >> these and other issues of common interest >> • The key pillar of this initiative shall be information >> sharing about developments at home, issues of common interest and >> concern, as well as matters requiring our individual and collective >> attention, including social and cultural activities of interest. In >> this regard, an information system shall be immediately put in place >> for such purposes >> • Coordination shall be as follows; >> o A Coordinating team has been put in place to organise till the >> launch where a structure shall have to be elected to lead the whole >> initiative. >> o Five Sub-Committees have been put in place with team leaders or >> Coordinators who lead them and these are on; >> 1. Research (on critical information about the situation at home >> and what alternatives are possible) >> 2. Information and Communication (to improve contact, networking, >> information sharing, dialogue, etc) >> 3. Projects (Practical assistance programmes and charity projects >> for poor Swazi families and orphans in particular) >> 4. Campaigns (including HIV/AIDS, clean governance, against corruption, >> etc) >> Entertainment and culture (to promote social activities and >> recreation that promotes our unity and cohesion) >> The meeting also benefited from a social networking forum (obviously >> with refreshments) afterwards, which allowed more space to get to know >> each other better, retrace old friendships and lost contacts, exchange >> business cards and details, as well as celebrate our common identity >> as Swazis in a relaxed manner and under a good atmosphere of brother >> and sisterhood. >> To crown it all, all participants committed themselves to doing >> something to make the platform a reality and pledged to ensure that >> they organise every Swazi to do something for his/her country now. >> For all these and more, the Coordinating team thanked all who made the >> day the resounding success it was and in particular, those who >> sponsored to make the event a reality with such decent venue, meals >> and even accommodation for those from outside Johannesburg. It all >> went a long way to demonstrate what common purpose can do when >> everyone is united behind a good cause. >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, pius rinto <rintop...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 'It is another political party like PUDEMO, SSN and other...'. Can I >>> please have clarity on that statement? >>> >>> On 7/8/11, Maseko Phepsile <phep...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> hello Simphiwe, >>>> >>>> i do not think it is necessary to respond to the honourable Dominic in >>>> that >>>> way >>>> Siphiwe but rather tell him the truth that Swazis like any nation in >>>> struggle >>>> have a right to freedom of association and associating with such >>>> campaigns,networks and information programs can only make us a better >>>> and >>>> informed community. Invite him to attend if at all swazi. it is another >>>> political party like PUDEMO, SSN and other but purely a platform where >>>> swazis >>>> meet to discuss issues of concern and get clarity on how to participate >>>> in >>>> their >>>> own struggle. Like me, i participate in such informative platforms and >>>> we >>>> do >>>> not >>>> feel it is proper for any person or ambassador to show disrespect of >>>> structures >>>> like these. For once, people should learn to respect and appreciate >>>> that. Invite >>>> him to organise all his swazi friends or even himself if swazi to >>>> participate. >>>> He needs to attend the platform launch to understand the rational being >>>> its >>>> establishment and get a year calendar of scheduled events so to >>>> participate. >>>> Thank the Cde. for being honest and for asking! >>>> >>>> leadership of the Platform is diverse from students, youth,rural women, >>>> men, soldiers, police, healers, traditional leaders, academics, >>>> unionists >>>> and just about all swazis based in south africa that want to have a >>>> clear >>>> picture of the status quo in swaziland but are not interested in >>>> listening >>>> to >>>> long political speeches and "mainstream" politics as was indicated in >>>> some >>>> of >>>> the meetings. The platform is a great place to be to know about home >>>> away >>>> from >>>> home. Keep up the good work Ntenteza and your colleagues. >>>> >>>> i trust this is clarity enough for the comrade and perhaps others that >>>> will >>>> find >>>> this useful. >>>> >>>> Comradely, >>>> >>>> Phephsi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ >>>> From: Simphiwe Ntenteza <ntent...@gmail.com> >>>> To: sa-swaziland-solidarity-eom-forum@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Fri, 8 July, 2011 15:02:46 >>>> Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Another Alliance? >>>> >>>> Who is Dominic? Where does he come from? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Dominic Tweedie >>>> <dominic.twee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear comrades, >>>>> >>>>> I have just received, from COSATU, a notice announcing something call >>>>> "Swazi >>>>> Diaspora Platform". >>>>> >>>>> It says that they had a meeting in Braamfontein on 25 June 2011 and are >>>>> going to "launch" on 30 July 2011. >>>>> >>>>> So people, how do you cope with this, now? >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how many permutations and new formations I have seen so >>>>> far, >>>>> this year and last. It is many. >>>>> >>>>> It is really necessary for people to be frank about the organisations >>>>> that >>>>> exist, or pretend to exist, who their funders are, and who their >>>>> leading >>>>> personalities are. >>>>> >>>>> If we don't know all that, then how do we expect the media to know it? >>>>> And >>>>> if they do not know who is who, then how can we prevent them from >>>>> reporting >>>>> all sorts of things purported to be in our names? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> VC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> NEW!!!! 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